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does it make sense, updating ram cause collection of >100000
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Hey @Matz,
I’ve moved your thread over to the software discussion category since you aren’t experiencing a specific technical issue.
That said, 8GB of RAM should be good for ~100K tracks. If you’re thinking your library will continue to grow, upping to 16GB certainly wouldn’t hurt either! Hope this helps 
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@matz, could you please clarify how many tracks you have? The thread title says >1,000k tracks (i.e., more than one million), while your first post says 100,000 but not if albums or tracks.
@benjamin understood 100,000 tracks, but I believe from your other posts over the years that you probably have more than 60,000 albums and might be approaching the 1,000,000 tracks you mentioned in this thread’s title.
You should also tell @benjamin what kind of Roon Server you have, so that he can make a well-founded recommendation.
As I understand things Roon loads the “Roon” database into RAM upon starting, and please, if I’m not correct then feel free to tell me what is happening.
So first find out how large your Roon database is and then make sure that you have at least that much RAM available.
If your Roon database is 10GB then you will need at least 16GB of RAM.
I run Roon on an Unraid server. The server has 64GB of RAM and when Roon is running Roon uses around 24GB of RAM since my Roon database is around 25GB.
In other words, Roon loves and uses lots and lots of RAM.
My DB is ~50 GB and loads into a 16GB RAM SonicTransporter i5 just fine, though it takes a while.
My little Roon NUC has 12 gb of RAM and it is running on ROCK. Local library + Qobuz sits at 100k tracks and with an occasional Tidal sub it goes up to 113k tracks/9.8k albums. No issues here.
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Simply RAM is cheap, I am sure more is better
An occasional restart is good too, my library is >100,000 using an 10i7 NUC with 32gB OF RAM no issues BUT I restart Ron daily which I think is the source of my trouble free Roon
For what it’s worth
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100% agree. I wish that someone with knowledge of the inner workings of Roon, e.g. database structure, RAM usage, etc., would explain why this is the case for large music libraries. For example, on my server Plex, which has and indexes a similar amount of media as does Roon, uses only 700MB of RAM while Roon uses a whooping 25GB of RAM. I need to reboot Roon a few times a week, and more if I do a lot of library maintenance, Plex only gets when there is an update. And let’s not forget that PlexAmp, Plex’s version of Roon ARC, works but Roon ARC has NEVER worked.
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my ARC has been working since I installed “Tailscale”!
sory for the ambiguity, there are >1000000 files, about 70000 alben
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Hello, thank you, but must eliminate a misunderstanding. Have actually >1000000 files… have ordered 32GB of RAM
had a NUC10 i7 with 64GB and was unhappy. that´s the reason to change to Titan…
Das Gewürz muss fließen
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I use Plex too but on a much smaller basis , just for video so is a much smaller file count albeit bigger files
It also gets restarted alongside Roon so I wouldn’t notice.
1,000,000 is a lot of files so your library will be big by definition, if (as we think) the library is loaded into RAM at startup, you will need a lot of RAM.
I am not sure but I suspect there are very few Roon users with file counts so high , so behaviour under those conditions isn’t often reported… Equally few reports of ow the Titan will handle such a library.
I have a lot of duplication in my library so I have moved duplicates to an external USB drive which Roon doesn’t see Dropping the file count helps , if I add back the folder from the duplicates drive I notice a performance drop.
a NUC may well be the wrong choice for such a big library, maybe a “Hidden” desktop with biggest processor going with masses of RAM may be a better option.
With 1,000,000 tracks, I suspect that you are beyond what a Titan is capable of handling well. Roon Labs state in their article on Roon Server hardware recommendations:
Largest Libraries
If you have over 250K+ tracks in your library, consider us impressed! You’re among the top .01% of Roon users, and you have a library most of us could only dream of.
With libraries this large, we expect the right hardware will work, but it’s not something we test in-house.
Your best bet will be to get a beefy Roon OS setup with a fast new CPU and plenty of RAM, but a very high-spec system running Linux, Windows, or macOS can work just as well.
We strongly recommend you engage with members of our user community when making any hardware purchase decisions for a very large library. There you will find a number of music collectors, like yourself, who have first-hand experience with getting the most out of Roon when the library track count is best represented in terms of fractions of a million tracks.
Hello, thanks for the hint. Then it is certainly helpful that my collection is distributed to different hard drives that I can disable the sources as needed.
it’s not about the nrs of your original music files that you have distributed across different drives. It is about the ‘size’ of the data (meta-, index- and other data) and file quality and conversion requirements that drives the needs for Main Memory (RAM) and CPU performance to provide performant functionality provided by Roon.
I assume (others may jump in here) that once Roon has indexed / read all your drives, turning off on drive will not change the size of the ‘Roon’ files until you re-read your active drive(s).
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There is no info about this .
I have around 70K on my USB drive , I let Roon index it before Disabling it . If I re-enable it it comes live almost immediately . it takes maybe 2 mins to read in , certainly a lot less than a “from cold” index. This suggests that Roon already has the appropriate info in the database, but excluded as “disabled”
The home page only shows the files on my active internal SSD in the NUC
Agreed with TFT, the Main Memory (RAM) is the ROON and associated application software that require for process the application and CPU speed, but not the music data files which is stored in SSD or HDD. Also it depends on your music library data whether is internal storage or external storage or NAS.
My little Intel NUC i5 , 8GB RAM with ROCK, can handle 30k songs/2000 albums without problem.