I am still new to Roon, so judge as you wish… My view is that Roon does one thing brilliantly (push/control music around my house), one thing really well (help expose me to new music and access a vastly bigger library than my own - i.e. Tidal), and one thing miserably - find/browse my own music. So I do the third one outside of Roon, then when I find what I want to listen to, I cue it up in Roon. This works well (at least at the level of compositions and albums/disks), and I can still use some of Roon’s functionality if I want to search just on my library (but then expect Roon’s errors to creep into search results). Overall this seems to work, and is a good compromise. Sometimes I have to struggle but relatively little to get Roon to queue up the music I want to hear. And all the effort I’ve put into fixing metadata and organizing my library the way I want is immediately and always accessible to me. At least for now, I am loath to curate my metadata in Roon because who knows if this effort will vaporize with some new possibly arbitrary design decision.
Give me some more months, but I am getting comfortable with this, and if that experience is sustained and expanded (there are more issues I need to dig into), I’ll become a lifer.
As you say, a work aroud. Imo a work around should be fixed and added to the program: The possibility to open the path from the Track Viewer (and other places) in the OS systems file browser. Also the flaws in the Track Viewer’s search function should be fixed for this work smoothly. No need to tell me that will never be implemented because of various reasons, much and long talked about in this forum. I still think that with creative thinking something like this can be implemented, without breaking other aspects of Roon (although I am not a programmer, so don’t ask me how exactly). A person can dream…
Just saying (mostly for those who are listening to the music not to metadata, no ofense please), as I recall roon justifies part of the price in fees (or subscription or whatever) to metadata providers. Now, after the money are payed, the metadata doesn’t looks so great… Rings a bell? If only because of that and the provided way of correcting the metadata should at least be more usefully…
I’m not complaining about the metadata itself, I’m mostly fine with it. My problem is the provided tool that is supposed to give me access to this data in cases where the automated procedure did not work.
Most classical metadata is related to compositions, then composers, then artists, THEN albums (in order of quantity). So, my time has been spent more on composition recognition than album recognition.
And “recognizing” compositions is a much tougher slog than albums. I’ve found that only exact canonical names (a la AllMusic) have a predictable chance of being linked to compositional data.
And therein lies my biggest disappointment with Roon. Hardly any “fuzzy logic” or other coping mechanisms are used to ease the user burden of having their tags exactly correct.
Well, my corrections are nearly all made, but I wouldn’t wish that task on any other user. I almost think Roon should come with a warning label, something like: “full use of this product and its promised bevy of metadata will almost certainly require countless hours of tag editing.”
You guys have nailed it. That horrible method of pushing a track up or down one notch at a time (while displacing all the tracks you “pass”) is indeed like a nightmarish puzzle game. Grab bars would make it so much easier. I had one album with 5 discs that had the track locations so badly scrambled that it took me 2 hours of demented slide puzzle work to fix it. My brain was fried when I was done. It doesn’t need to be this hard.
Exactly. It’s like Roon makes no effort to guess the correct track alignment based on the track titles. It just throws up it’s hands and says “Tracks don’t match up, you’re SOL”. And then it’s slide puzzle time. So frustrating! The program should be smart enough to throw some computing power at this issue and at least attempt to solve it for you, instead of forcing us to do all this “manual labor”.
Yes, discogs is quite good when you want to identify a certain version of a record. Unluckily it’s not a Roon source (yet) and isn’t really that helpful when it comes to artist and work related information. musicbrainz has more to offer in this regard - if the release exists there.
Per this thread (Discogs as metadata source) Roon won’t be implementing Discogs as a source and have not identified any other databases they will add in the near future.
Make of that what you will, but I’ve been thinking about asking for a refund for a long time. I’ve been using Roon for about 3 years and I’ve seen no development in these glaring problems which is just unacceptable in a “premium” product.
I’ve been struggling with the same problem and wondering if identification is worth the effort if I have to put up with such a poorly designed process. I’m glad at least that I’m not alone in this. I hope Roon will spend some time improving this process.