Difficulty Identifying Ripped Box Set Albums in Roon with Qobuz Integration (ref#KDH8BL)

What’s happening?

· Something else

How can we help?

· I'm having trouble adding music to my library

Describe the issue

I have added six albums from a box set I ripped. As a boxed set it now does not exist in digital form on Qobuz. However, the individual albums exist. Roon identified one. I am trying to identify the others. On the first volume I readily found via Roon, on Qobuz, the album to which to identify it, however it does not come up in any way when I try the identify feature. I have tried looking up only the artist, but the list of albums is quite limited compared to what comes up under his name. I have tried typing in the exact title of the album I wish it to identify, but it does not come up. Is there any way I can link my album with the one it is supposed to be?

Describe your network setup

Starlink, (switch but don't know its name)

The album I ripped is vol. 1 from this set (Le Livre d'Or de l'Orgue Français La Dolce Volta LDV 1472 [JV] : Classical Music Reviews - February 2014 MusicWeb-International)

The material in this album has been in two other albums which do come up in the identify feature on Roon, but it is this one, with the green cover, that is the matching one that I want. My problem is how to get it to come up under the identify feature.

This album is available in Qobuz in my region (Europe) and so it is showing up in the manual identification step in Roon. Where are you?

Although it does seem that only four of the original six-disc set are available in Qobuz…

Thank you!

It shows up in Roon, it shows up in the line of related albums at the bottom if I call up my album to play, it shows up in Qobuz, but it doesn’t show up under possible identifications.

May I ask what you are typing in to the fields in the manual identify feature to get it to identify? I just have my ripped album and have typed in simple things like André Isoir in artist and various forms of the title in title, but it does not come up underneath.

The album is in the six cd box of Le Livre d’or de l’orgue Français, but also is the green cover album in the two cd set for Couperin, plus some other older versions under other labels.(https://www.ladolcevolta.com/?_wpnonce=0346c7bfff&_wp_http_referer=/&post_type=product&s=isoir)

I might have to give up. The one of the six that Roon identified identified my album with a 2 disc set. I was able to undo that and identify it to the right one, but Roon had an old label (quite understandably) and not the one on the displayed cover. That is okay. Recording date is, I think, wrong, but I can find that.

I tried another but ran into problems that are beyond me.


The original recordings were published on vinyl and then remastered, so it is all confusing. There are slight time discrepancies. It is may now be picking up the fact that it is volume 4 of the current set, but I think it is going to call the tracks all untitled and not pick up anything from the current issue (with the album cover). Is it time to quit and just give the albums the right titles with no identifications?

Both the album that was no problem and this one are in Qobuz, looking as I would expect them to. So, why should the manual identification of the Mass for Organ come up in French, which is fine, but with a date of 1989 and label Calliope? Ah… it must be that Roon is working with different metadata, not linked to what I see in Qobuz… And of course Qobuz has duplicates, with different prices.

Well, I just added the album from Qobuz to my library - I don’t have the CD.

But I was curious about what you said, so I deleted the Qobuz album, and then bought the same album from Qobuz, downloaded it and added it into Roon.

And indeed, the album now shows up as being unidentified - and cannot be matched with any of the albums by Isoir known to Roon…

Curious.

The two albums of Grigny’s music I also purchased from Qobuz and downloaded, and these have been successfully identified by Roon and added to the library

Thank you so much Geoff! I hope you actually like this music! Your interface looks unlike mine. Also, you got the “cinq hymns” album identified while I failed. I am in the UK part of Qobuz. Are you as well? I will try again!

I’m in the Netherlands, but I would have thought that we would be in the same licensing region (Europe…), but after Brexit - who knows… :roll_eyes:

I didn’t have to identify either of the Grigny albums manually - Roon nailed them automatically.

It’s interesting that Roon finds two versions in Qobuz for each of these two Grigny albums, but the Qobuz PC app only lists one version for each of them…

BTW, my screenshots are taken from Roon’s screens…

Unless I’ve read this wrongly, I think the problem stems from the fact that we do not currently use streaming service metadata for the identification of local file content.

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I was about to reply with the same answer. Being in Qobuz or Tidal has no affect on identifying local content. If it’s not in MusicBrainz or TiVo Roon will not t identify it.

I end up adding any album that’s like this to MusicBrainz using Picard and after a day or so Roon sees it.

Thank you all! I think I have understood the matter. I did try to use MusicBrainz earlier to straighten out an artist and got bogged down. I also was worried about doing anything to it.

I looked up the work of André Isoir on MusicBrainz. It is partial. The original vinyl album that I did find in manual identification in Roon is there, but when I ask for the identification it does not do what I expect. I probably do not expect the right thing. The track info is so neat in MusicBrainz. Is there a way to make it cross over? The system found the recent cover art, though that is easy to supply. I can change the title. But I have not really accomplished anything by identifying the album that I can’t do by hand. I can understand that all the repackaging of this music has become difficult for any system to follow. I am not sure I can manage to use Picard to add the actual album I have. I did use kid3 when ripping albums some years ago, though not with this album, but not exactly fun.
I looked up another album I have been having trouble with, a recently purchased album (some years old). Indeed, there is under the artist on MusicBrainz nothing like the number of albums that exist. No wonder, and not complaining, just find it frustrating.
!*I did manage to get the tracks on the Isoir album to show properly. Because the original was vinyl the system looked different and I needed to inch my tracks up to match.
I really appreciate all the help, not only here but everywhere I look. I only recently found that people had uploaded booklets (and albums, in MP3) to Internet archive. Wonderful!

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