Well, I’m not quite as minimal as you… 
There are a few albums that affected me so much or came out at memorable points in my life that make them inportant to me.
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Yes, we all have those.
Searching for alternatives I have found that
Audiosciencereview .com has a vibrant
logitech-media-server forum.
Newer versions of LMS also provide integration with online music services such as Qobuz and Spotify.
This is the route I will take - or perhaps look into Navidrome as some posts have pointed to
there is also a very active LMS forum here (the original squeezebox forum):
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Thanks a lot!
The sad and unnecessary thing is that if it can play for an hour or three, it should be able to play for a day or three. The dependency on an internet connection is an unnecessary limitation. I know they said they need to move the search algorithms to the internet but when I am playing or paging through the music, I don’t need to search.
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It’s not just search algorithms. Cloud storage, rather than local storage, will allow Roon to develop different features in the future. This is exactly what’s happened with the integration of Wikipedia. The bio and album info is no longer downloaded into one’s local database. It all comes from the cloud.
I do agree about the fact that Roon devs should have built offline tolerance into the system, but I think it’s important to be clear that the increased use of cloud storage isn’t just for search. It will feature more heavily as Roon introduces new features.
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Thanks for the additional insight. I suspect that there are a lot of factors to going on line from allegedly improved searching, to new future features, That said, I think that we agree that the promise of future features don’t justify the complete lack of any off-line functionality. While off line I can forego the bio information if it at least gives me the built in metadata and lets me play the music a la iTunes/mac music.
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Post edited to remove your egregious statement on Roon policy.
Please do not repeat that error.
Thank you.
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I have the luxury of a stable, fast, and unlimited internet connection. That’s not necessarily everyone’s experience and so I get the issue that people have with the online requirement.
I just wanted to say that unless you’re working on the Roon codebase, you aren’t going to understand how it’s architected and you can’t conclude that pagination is a through local content should be easily implementable without connectivity. As Roon starts to integrate the cloud into functionality like Search, it’s going to become more and more difficult for them to maintain predictable functionality when the system is offline. “Offline” would need to be an actual supported feature and any time they do anything at all, they’d have to spend energy defining what the online and offline behavior should be, they’d have to implement that, and then validate it. For every feature and behavior across every release.
I get the choice they’ve made. Rather than conditionalize the code to run in online and offline modes, you’re either online and it works or offline and it doesn’t. The tradeoff, for me as a user, is that this choice can only have a positive impact on their ability to move more quickly, extend capabilities, and spend less time coding, debugging, and testing for offline usage. That’s a win for me, but I get how it could be a big issue for people who frequently lose connectivity.
I thought I would remind people why I posted this thread:
“Do You Have A Roon Fallback Plan - Options / Alternatives”
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Sure,
- JRiver which has never gone out of use
- Foobar 2000 which also has never gone out of use
- And I’ve spent the time and energy spinning up and updating my old LMS server which has been off since 2015. Since, most of the Roon endpoints I have can also do LMS, there is not even a blip in changing over. After using LMS for a bit again, I’m reminded that there are things about it that I prefer. That would never have happened otherwise.
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I have an old SOtM sMS-1000U (A Vortexbox based server/player) and have been using it for a few months recently.
A thing i really like about iPeng/LMS is that i can browse albums and play music, when coming back to the full album view, i’m still where i left the view! A small but oh so important feature!
This is also a very nice player/streamer which i can use when Internet is down.
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Sorry for contributing to straying from the intent of the original post.
MinimServer. Runs on my NAS.
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Hi Dan, given I came from LMS to Roon (again, circa 2015) it would be the obvious choice for me as fallback. Many of my endpoints are still old squeezebox devices, working brilliantly as part of my Roon ecosystem (see below)
Despite having decent fibre broadband I remain uncomfortable with Roon potentially being unavailable to me for my local content in the event of a prolonged outage (the reasons for this have been well articulated by others, so I won’t replay them here). I voted for a return to limited local playout, and I’m hopeful the Roon guys will see the logic in a rethink here.
In the meantime I plan a rainy afternoon project at some point to resurrect LMS so I can document a “doors to manual” procedure to implement LMS fallback.
Given you’ve just been through a similar process any tips to get LMS up and running again? Cheers.
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Yesterday, I had to replace the 97Wh battery in my Dell XPS 15 laptop. I think 4 years life is OK. I replaced the keyboard about a year ago. This computer works well as a backup Roon core and as “away-from-home” Roon core. It’s also my primary Roon control device as well as all other computer activities. I just hope Apple releases a Windows app soon so it can play high resolution lossless Apple Music.
Do you know about this? Just a preview at this point, but official from Apple. Requires Win 11.
Thanks. I did not know about that, but I’ll wait for the final version. That’s going to stop me from obsessing about a new MacBook Air M2.
I’ll be able to run Roon, Audirvana, and Apple Music lossless, high resolution, all on my Dell away from home. I just installed a new battery, so good for another 4 years.
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But to need to make sure your laptop can run Win11.
It can. I just haven’t installed it yet.