Ugh… no, you folks are not following the discussion on this topic.
Here’s the use case, for the millionth time:
Add one or more albums to the queue, start playback from any single track, skip to another track, maybe re-play the first track (because I like that one a lot), skip to yet another track, rinse and repeat.
It’s not complicated and mimics what a CD player does, as an example, along with EVERY OTHER media player on the planet, except for Roon.
Roon makes the above use case agonizing, because it’s three clicks/taps to change tracks; the whole play from here, coupled with the fact that previous tracks disappear from the queue.
Do I need to create a video of what this looks like with Sonos or iTunes or any Mac media player I have?
I suppose we are near the agree to disagree point but the fact is there are loads of alternatives out there and Roon will not be for everyone and it’s a personal choice.
I can’t understand the reasoning why something like this could make someone give up on Roon.
I can’t help but bristle at this threat implied by some posters.
I think the logic of Roon’s workflow If it’s to be played it’s in the queue, if it has been played it’s in the history
to be persuasive.
I’m not discounting opinions merely pointing out that the majority of users are (seem to be) very happy with what is there now. I for one am.
Even if you consider the 47 posters in this thread to all be in favour of a static queue [which is clearly not the case]…then surely you must concede that 47 out of a cast of Thousands of Roon users must really only amount to "Individuals Think"??
And therefore the ‘disappearing queue’ is actually one that appeals to many / most…and that they prefer the Roon Queue methodology to that used in your referenced iTunes & Sonos queues
So Roon is different to every other system on the market and this is group think?
January rarely does much for my mood but this thread with the sound of toys being thrown from prams certainly isn’t helping. Perhaps I need a sabbatical.
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Add one or more albums to the queue, [/quote]
Select Album, Play, Add to Queue
start playback from any single track,
You can load the Queue from a given point with Album, Select Track, Play From Here, Play Now/PlayNext/Add to Queue.
Within the Queue a left click (short press in iOS) brings up a menu to Play From Here or Play Next.
skip to another track
Drag that track to the top of the Queue with grab bars on the right, fast forward (just like a CD player). Or left click to Play From Here or Play Next. The first deletes tracks above it. The second doesn’t.
maybe re-play the first track (because I like that one a lot)
Rewind back the Queue (just like a CD player) or select it in History and Play Next
skip to yet another track
Drag it to the top of this Queue or start a new Queue with Album/Select Track/Play from Here
rinse and repeat.
Select the tracks I liked in History, Play, Play Now/ Play Next/Add to Queue, Loop.
If I want to keep it or edit it more I make a Playlist.
I really get that some people want Roon to work differently, and that the way Roon works now may not suit them.
What I struggle to see is how it upsets people so much. Surely you either:
like/love the way it works and buy/subscribe to it,
think it could be better, but there’s enough to enjoy meanwhile so you do as above
think its too frustrating for you to use or missing ‘must have’ features, and so you spend your money elsewhere.
Simply arguing the pros and cons of Roon’s decision just seems to use up valuable life and energy that could be spent having fun!
My guess is the frustration comes from the fact that people really do like Roon, and despite threats of leaving to use something else, when they go back to their old players they think ‘mmmm, actually this is a bit sh*t, I wish I had Roon so I’ll go and see if I can get them to make it the way I want it’. That’s a shame because if only one feature stops you loving Roon, then you’re very close to nirvana. But you’ve just got to come to terms with these things and the fact that we can’t all have what we want all of the time.
Let’s be honest we’ve probably all got a list of things we’d like to change about software we use, products we use, local services we use, etc. Best to just make your point, make your peace, then choose the best option for you at the time and keep an eye on everything else meanwhile.
I was a bit miffed that I couldn’t use Dirac with Roon and my new RoonReady device. My choices were; leave Roon and use something else, or stay put and find a way round it. I chose the latter. There were other specific Roon workflows I’ve done that with too - the fact is for me the few negatives (or should I say niggles) are far outweighed by all the positives. If that weren’t the case I’d have moved on to something else.
I think on this issue the voice has been heard, and Roon do listen. But that still doesnt mean we all get what we want when we want it. I still havent got Dirac and some people havent got a different queue to the one Roon designed initially. Other people are waiting for their features.
Perhaps in the future we’ll all have what we want. Meanwhile, why get so upset about it all? It’s January 2017. Enjoy life!! (and music)
Good shout. It is each to his own but I wonder how many of Roon’s capabilities do people moan about on the other player forums e.g. iTunes, JRM, etc.
Roon does a ton of stuff like stream to my Meridian, squeeze, rPi etc that none of the others do.
Feels a bit like one issue becomes a deal-breaker regardless of the other things that a user can exploit and enjoy.
Time for a bit of Freddie
I want it all…
I want it all…
I want it all…
And I want it now
I wonder whether a button on the queue screen that bring up say the last 15-20 entries in history and allows them to be reinserted would do the trick for those that despise the FIFO queue.
Honestly, this is what gets people upset about this issue - not that it doesn’t work “my way”, it’s that every time someone asks about a non-destructive queue, a moderator responds with a convoluted workflow that isn’t the same thing and then asks, what’s the big deal?
What a non-consuming playback queue means is: a list of tracks, in some order, and I can tap on any song (ONE TAP) and it just starts playing from that point forward; no re-ordering, no rewinding, no disappearing. Simple.
Why not just say: we aren’t implementing a non-consuming playback queue, it doesn’t fit our model, but thanks for your feedback.
I think that has pretty much been said by the Roon team already? Not in a “we’re not doing it way”, but in a “it’s not going to be imminent and anyway not until they had resources to work out a system that they were happy was a great user experience for all concerned, and fit ion with their model”.
I guess mod’s can’t write the code - seems they’re just trying to understand the situation and offer up the best solutions they can based on the information in the meantime.
But, that is exactly what @Sloop_John_B said. Queue is what you Queue up and History is what has been played. If you skip tracks without every playing them why would they be in History, you did not play them.
In fact, you only skip tracks if you use “Play from Here”, if you instead use “Play This Now”, it plays that song and not change anything else about the queue, except the order. So in your example, if you started track 1 and decided to play track 8, the “Play This Now” function would have kept the entire queue intact.
