EQ and headroom

Hi

I have a qustion regarding adjusting headroom when using dsp.

  • Is roon using all eq settings as one in total (like a convolution filter) or one by one?
  • is the eq in front of the volume fader or after?

Why do i ask the question: its good to know for adjusting the headroom in roon, in case of using positve gain eq.
If all calculations are pre volume fader, and roon would first calculate a min phase FIR filter out of all eq’s it would be easy to take the headroom adjustment out of the white total eq curve.
if not i need to look for the highest eq gain and use this for the headroom setting.

I know, i could use the clipping indicator, but then, i need to have a 0db noise signal, to make almost sure, that there is no clipping.

Maybe a picture makes it more clear :wink:
Can i use in general the highest peak in the white line for the headroom setting?

Thx in advance

Christian

Look at your signal path it will show you where it comes.

The highest peak is good starting point to set headroom, but due to intersample clipping you may need to adjust lower and for music thats already compressed a lot and peaks at 0db.

You can also reduce the overall waveform down so the peaks are at or below 0db, Thats what the slider on the right does. Its often better to have reductions rather than gains.

Edit: as per @Simon_Arnold3

@Simon_Arnold3 Any comments here :slight_smile: Headroom setting is - 4.5 dB

God jul :slight_smile:

Torben

PS: Any news on M23?

It doesn‘t matter if you use the headroom setting or the slider to the right of the EQ curve, as it‘s the same math that gets applied.
Would be the easiest to use the slider and pull down until the white result curve maxes out at 0dB.

… occurs on upsampling, but not when just multiplying to change volume, afaik.

Like this:

That is -4.8 dB

Torben

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Noise has a high crest factor, so it will either clip without any DSP or it would have a low RMS level. You could use a sine log sweep, but it will just confirm the shape of your curve.

It can also occur on down-sampling, even if the rate ratio is an integer.

High

since Torben has joint the thread (he is the reason for my question) he will answer :wink:

I just started the the thread, because i think i have more experience in DSP, just don’t know, how Roon is working down the chain :wink:

Thx for your feedback!

Greetings and happy christmas

Christian

You‘re right, I actually meant to write sample rate conversion

@Simon_Arnold3 - Mary Christmas

Does this looks right?

Torben

If it doesn’t clip then yes. Remember to turn Roons headroom management to 0db and leave it active if your lowering it manually, but leave clipping indicator active to show if if is.

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It should as per what I tried to convey earlier and consider what CrystalGypsy said, especially if you’re using Roon’s sample rate conversion.

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Thanks @Simon_Arnold3

Torben