Hi guys,
This is a summary of my experience as a new Roon user.
I’m into music streaming for about 15 years when I bought my first Sonos. After time more devices were added, Linn, Naim, Bluesound, Denon, Amazon Fire TV. Most old devices are still doing their duty, hence I have a pretty mixed setup and were looking for a sulution to make usage more easy and consistent, ideally by using one app for all.
For ages I use mainly Bubble and Jriver for most things, available for Android, Linux, Windows and work pretty well for all devices, except Bluesound and Amazon music, so I still have to use the various vendor software. Main issue was that the Bluesound as only system doesn’t support UPNP/DLNA and hence always needs its quirky software. Well, Bluesound is famous for ignoring customer demands, just see their sick game with their Linux client.
First tried Audirvana, but was a total disaster. Total chaos in the media library, poor device support, no customization, massive issues with slow Internet. Never saw such a bad overrated software.
So, I thought I give Roon a try. Promises were amazing, all music on all devices controllable by all operating systems… Hm….
Start was as bad as it could get. Roon disappeared from the QNAP store. Ok, no problem, then lets go Linux. Wait, there is no full software for Linux. WTF? Guess I wasn’t the first who didnt understand that Roon doesn’t support Linux before actually trying it… Argh…
Ok, so Windows it is. Let’s see if the software is so good to justify going back to windows.
Streaming on Linn and Naim works well, Sonos and even Bluesound, too. Amazon Fire TV no, no huge surprise, although Bubble works well with them. Denon also no. UPNP not supported, WTF? One of my Denons can be used via Airplay, but quality is mediocre at best and no HR support. Hm. So, Bubble even supports more devices than Roon… My idea to use only one software failed, but ok, let’s see what it actually can do. Basically, the streaming software that directly supports by far most devices is… Spotify. At least until some month ago before they announced to stop the support for hundreds of devices, like my Denon. When oh when will content provider understand that the hardware support is more crucial then the content.
In the meantime, Roon core runs fine on QNAP and for Linux I use Android in a VM. Of course Roon Android App is rather poor, but hey, better than nothing.
Following some observations in random order:
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Roon has issues with slow internet connections like mine. While it’s still better than the poor Audirvana, it’s far away from the Apps of the music services, and not even close to Bubble or Bluesound. Hence everything over 44k rarely works and is pure luck. I know that 96k loads my internet with 100%, but since it works decently most of the time with other software, I see it as a Roon issue.
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The ignorance to support UPNP/DLNA is extremely bad customer service. Roon supports older Linn DS, which AFAIK only support UPNP. Hence they already built it in the system and it would be a piece of cake to make it available for all devices. Who cares if you can use all DSP features, but at least the basics. I assume there’s only one reason why they don’t do it: the real Roon customers are vendors paying for “Roon Ready” badges. Sure, why should you invest in Roon ready when every simple UPNP works… Unacceptable service for paying customers.
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Media database and tag handling is ok for an automated system, but far from perfect. About 30% of my media gallery Roon isn’t displaying artist pictures, i.e. you have a lot of grey bubbles with initials only.
Some specific examples:- 5 Fresh Blues samplers. Roon tags 2 as Compilation, 2 as Various Artists and one with both. ???
Similar chaos with Soundtracks. - 20 Albums by Doro. 19 are tagged correctly with Doro. One is tagged with Doro Pesch?
- Kind of everything is tagged with Pop/Rock, which makes this tag totally useless and also affects the Roon radio.
And so on and so on. Unfortunately I didn’t find a way to only correct specific issues. Yes, by playing around with the search keys, most of the time you find what you want, but its not comfortable.
So, it’s ok, with some issues if you stay with English mainstream. As soon as you leave that you quickly get lost.
- 5 Fresh Blues samplers. Roon tags 2 as Compilation, 2 as Various Artists and one with both. ???
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Roon Live Radio
Available stations are pretty poor, worse than vTuner and even less than my Synology NAS offers. Lightyears away from TuneIn.
No problem, you can add stations. Documentation explains how to add TuneIn stations. Logo and info are imported quickly, but… Music not playing. I tried it with 5 different stations, but the same for all with various error messages. Even the example station in the guide doesn’t work…
In literally every music player you can import radio as playlists (m3u or xspf). Unfortunately didn’t find a way in Roon. So, to listen Radio I have to stay with Bubble. Again. -
Roon Radio
Great feature. Probably the one I enjoyed the most. As long as you stay English mainstream of course. 2 main issues:- for less known artists, Roon radio often ends up looping 3-4 songs only. Or since everything is tagged with pop/rock, it quickly ends up with something completely different.
- most dance/electronic songs are available in different mixes. Unfortunately Roon has no “Don’t repeat songs with the same title” function. So you often end up listening to basically the same song 3 or even 5 times in a row, just in a different mix. Not very entertaining.
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I organize my favorites by artists and rarely tag albums or songs. Unfortunately Roon often doesn’t allow me to add an artist to my favorites. For some artists it works, for some it doesnt (heart is greyed out). Didn’t find out why.
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Of course Roon struggles with the database mess by all but one streaming services. I.e. Combining artists with the same name and listing singles as albums. Not Roons fault, but not nice either. Maybe at least Roon could include the number of tracks per album, so the “single track albums” could be better identified?
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Android App is rather poor and not respecting basic standards.
- no notification of current songs, no way to skip or pause without opening the app
- no volume control via volume keys outside the app and even inside it’s not working.
- no mouse wheel support
- App crashes frequently on all kinds of devices
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Streaming service support is pretty poor with Tidal and Qobuz only. Amazon Music would be good and Spotify should be a must have, especially when they finally release their HR service.
Verdict:
Roon is a decent beta version and nowhere near to be a ready software (at least for my purposes). Most promises that made me try Roon were not kept. I have no problem to fiddle around and spend time to find workarounds for a freeware, but a full price software needs to be better. The price/value ratio for me is simply not adequate. A price similar or slightly higher than Jriver would be ok, but Roon is more expensive than the full Adobe Photoshop Suite or MS Office.
So, unfortunately uninstalling and checking in from time to time to see the status. Happy to try again once it leaves beta stage.
Cheers