Feedback on iOS Hardware Requirements

If you can stand it, you might want to wait until mid-October (could be earlier, but probably not, I think) to see what the new iPads are like. Even if you don’t like the new ones, at that point you should be able to get a bit of a discount on the old ones.

Here’s some pretty trustworthy commentary on the likely announcement date.

–David

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Thanks for this. Doesn’t 12.9" screen seems quite large for a tablet? It would be great for reading newstand magazines and stuff, but I wonder if it would be akward to handle and the weight may be heavier much like my 3rd gen now… But the price drop of the Air2 would surely happen.

Too large for me, but I’m guessing there will be new versions of the iPad Air and the iPad mini, too. If things follow their usual pattern, the new iPads will be about the same price but will offer more in some way (e.g., faster, thinner, lighter, longer battery life).

My “strategic thinking” on this is that by waiting a month or two for the newest model(s), I’m pushing the next Roon-style “issue” farther into the future. (No such thing as future-proofing, IMO, only delaying the inevitable.)

FWIW.

–David

Really out of luck it seems. To use Roon I’d need a new HTPC (my MacMini only goes up to 10.7), Roon software (lifetime for the big jump and savings in the future), and now a new iPad (now on iPad 4 that could be used for many years more otherwise)…
It would be nice if these limitations where not fixed but as some kind if ‘try it and see how it goes’. It’s a music system, what kind of advanced graphics do we really need? I don’t care about speed that much but €1000+ to use some new software?

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Admittedly, the hardware bar is set pretty high. I think, though, one of the central things about the overall Roon experience is the visual dimension — the UI, the photos, etc. If you don’t care about that stuff, software like Audirvana Plus (a favorite of mine), Pure Music, JRiver have much more modest hardware requirements and very good SQ.

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Normally we’d absolutely support these older models, but the move from the iPad 3 to the iPad Air, and the iPad Mini to the Mini 2, represents a major architectural shift for Apple from 32-bit to 64-bit devices going forward. These new 64-bit devices also support OpenGL ES 3.0, which gives us the same flexibility in our UI that you see in the desktop version – smooth animations, custom graphics, fluid navigation – characteristics of Roon that distinguish us from competitors and have earned us lifetime customers.

We could support older iPads, but in the end we have to recognize that we’d be developing for a dying line of devices, and we wouldn’t be giving our customers the same great experience they get with our desktop apps because of the lack of OpenGL ES 3.0 support. Ultimately, looking at the cost-benefit analysis in the development effort for supporting these older models, it just doesn’t work in our favor. We’ve pored over this extensively and looked at all of our options, but we’re being forced to develop in the direction Apple is taking us.

That said, the move from 32-bit to 64-bit by Apple is going to help us greatly in the long run. By building a 64-bit iPad app, we’ve laid down the foundation we need to move our desktop application to 64-bit. This means massive performance improvements, and better support for larger collections.

I hope that you understand our situation here, and that support for the older iPad models is not so cut and dry. I know you say that you’ve been happy with the older iPads, but as a former iPad 3 owner myself who made the move to just the lower model iPad Air, the difference is night and day. These new devices are so much snappier and a joy to use. A few of our team members are also owners of the iPad Mini 2 and 3, and they’ll say the same thing – the new iPads are top-of-the-line and the Roon experience on them is unparalleled.

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Happier than ever that I didn’t continue with Roon. Was going to give it another chance when the iPad app arrived, but astonished to learn it is only for the latest iPads. What a missed opportunity for more users. Very disappointed and I would say this should have been made clearer earlier.

I wish the development team well and will reconsider Roon when I eventually upgrade my iPad, but I can’t justify an upgrade just to use Roon as I had originally planned.

I’ll be back at some point to try again, but that’s now a much longer way in the future than I anticipated.

Tough choice. Even if I have an ipad 3 I think you made the right decision. These things moves fast and very soon, the older generation will be less in use and in a year from now your decision will make a lot of sense. One thing, however, you might reconsider is whether some sort of remote solution could be developed to the iphone. One that may not completely create the full ROON feeling, but nevertheless could be used to control the music in a situation where one do not want to do extensive reading or discovery in ones collection. And also the iphone may work well for the kids when controlling the system…just an idea!

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I know Apple fans won’t like this, but Roon is great on Android, much cheaper as well.
That will breath extended use to your older iPads for general duties and Android is Roon specific.
That’s what I have done anyway. It allows me to enjoy the music experience through Roon now. Chris

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The Android app is okay for now and it will improve considerably over time. I wouldn’t call it “great” yet.

From nothing to having it is great in my view, and the fact I can do everything I want apart from adding images means I can wait and see before spending any more cash. Thoughts, Chris

As far as I can see, it would still be a £200 spend, which is about an iPad mini 2?

There’s not a single App that I use on my iPad mini where I feel it’s lacking in power or annoyingly slow - and with heavier Apps than Roon. Sure, a new one would be snappier but wouldn’t it always! In my mind a dedicated remote is the perfect use for a previous gen iPad.

This must have been known a fair while back so I think it would have been good to share…

Urgh. Oh well.

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personally I would LOVE to keep my trusted ipad2, bcs it has 4G and is 64 GB. If I have to buy a new iPad Air with same 4G and 64 GB it will be quite expensive.
AND the only thing that I want to use iPad remote for Roon, is hit PLAY, PAUSE, next TRACK and so on.
I dont see why that absolutely needs a 64 bit processor?

KnockKnock

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Because Roon does SO much more than pause play etc, that’s the point.

It is graphic intense allowing you to explore your library, go online via links book tickets via songkick, plus all the editing facilities. There are reviews to read links to follow that take you on a musical journey from artist to artist.

For this you really want a large screen and enough power to deliver a smooth experience.

The developers have explained their position moving forward very well.
If you don’t want the above, you don’t need Roon at all.

Just my take on things, enjoy the music. Chris

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danny,

I feel comfortable supporting your raison d’etre for what iOS devices enable the best future for roon’s development. In my support, I am not dismissing the practical/financial realities for some roon members or future roon members. The province for what each individual regards as reasonable is theirs. But given the innovations delivered, the quality and performance updates anticipated, I am rather relieved that you and your partners have set the standards for development as you have. I personally have experienced other products designed for across the board hardware/software and ultimately development is hobbled or compromised. We’re not in Kansas anymore. I am more confident I made the right decision to commence my relationship with roon with a life-membership/license than ever before with your perspectives for roon and the rationale for the decisions made that others may object to for their reasons. Chrislayeruk’s acknowledgement and affirmation of your agenda mirrors mine. I am fortunate in having purchased an iPad Air 2 long before there was a roon. The synchornicity of my purchasing decisions as best as I am able to intuit matches the very same criteria that guides you on the pathway for roon. I have been using computers since 1986 and over time, (many) have purchased the latest and greatest only to find that in six months, a much better widget for a lower cost arrives.

I never argue with perception. I continue to experience and feel the direction roon is on is the correct one. Your commitment to our needs and wishes means a great deal to me. Therefore what is needed to support that commitment makes sense. Stay the course. In time, if not already conspicuous, the membership will grow for the very reasons the many of us came aboard in the first instance.

The music’s the thing, the equipment seduces. Marvelous update.

Enjoy the music,
Richard

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+1, if you want an example of UI that is compromised by trying to please everyone then try out Linn Kazzoo.

I’m totally support the Roon guys/gals in their insistence on having the best UI out there.

Thanks @Dannythered and @REShaman – we still have huge gaps and holes, but it’ll keep getting better. We are in this for the long term. I’m very glad we can offer you all something that doesn’t cost $10,000.

Just in case, I’ll start saving. If I live long enough. (smile) Just being ironical.
Best,
Richard

Well a +1 from me in Roon moving forward with 64bit architecture. Room is by far the best application for playback, browsing a digital music library. In the few months I have been using Roon, in my modest 2000 album library, I have discovered artists and genres I hadn’t listened to for years…you opened my ears so to speak, so play on…

Just have to wait for Apple to approve the app. What is keeping them? ,!!

It does run acceptable on 32bit Android doesn’t it? It doesn’t need to be 60fps or with animations to be a usable interface.

With Roonlabs being a small team I understand the need to focus but it could be a bit more friendly towards perfectly decent ‘low end’ devices.

I’m only complaining because I see the promise and want to use it too :wink: