HQPLAYER new Version 5 Discussion

Dandou · May 19, 2023, 9:55pm

For the Mac, I tapped manually, indeed, the IP address that DHCP assigned to it, and stopped DHCP to keep the IP constant.
On GentooPlayer, there’s a special feature to assign a fixed IP.

For the Log files of Roon and HQPLayer, I don’t know where to look for them on the Mac…

It does not happen often that HQPlayer eats the RAM of the computer, but when it occurs, it’s with the same settings with which it played fine before. It starts suddenly.

musicjunkie917 · May 19, 2023, 10:00pm

I run Roon Server (no UI app) and HQPlayer 5 on an M1 Mac mini (16GB/512GB) and use a Holo Audio Red as an NAA and a Holo Audio May KTE DAC.

I have not experienced any losses of connection between Roon and HQPlayer. I have had no issues with HQPlayer 5 losing connection to the NAA or the NAA connecting to the DAC.

HQPlayer 5 is using a lot memory (just under 3.5GB) but is does not appear to have a memory leak. In other words, the memory used does not just keep increasing. It is stable.

Dandou · May 19, 2023, 10:03pm

When I use it, HQPlayer consumes about 3.5GB of RAM, but when it starts eating the RAM, Activity Monitor shows that it uses more than 9GB on my Mini.

Dandou · May 19, 2023, 10:14pm

If someone can explain to me where to look for the log files, I will attach them to a post when Roon loses the connection to HQPlayer.
It happened twice earlier today, but at this moment, both work well together, and I enjoy the music with the DSD upsampling.

jussi_laako · May 19, 2023, 10:20pm

It is explained in the Troubleshooting-section of the manual…

But first enable log file from HQPlayer settings, then restart HQPlayer. When something happens, you can find log file from folder “~/.hqplayer” on macOS (you can get there with Go to Folder menu option of Finder), called HQPlayer5Desktop.log

Roon also had some menu option to see their log file. Maybe someone from Roon can chime in.

Dandou · May 19, 2023, 10:27pm

I’ll do that, and will attach the log file to a post when it happens.
I never noticed a log option in Roon. Does someone know where it is?

Thank you, @jussi_laako, for the support, and for the great work of developing this new version of your player that sounds so good.

Dandou · May 21, 2023, 9:07am

Hi @jussi_laako ,
HQPlayer stopped seeing NAA on GentooPlayer. NAA does not appear as crushed on GentooPlayer, but HQPlayer won’t see it unless I reboot of GentooPlayer.
This is what the Log of HQPlayer says:

& 2023/05/21 10:59:30 Pause
& 2023/05/21 10:59:31 Pause

2023/05/21 10:59:37 NAA output clSocket::Send(): send(): Broken pipe

! 2023/05/21 10:59:37 NAA output clNetEngine::PushPCM(): clNetEngine::SendStreamPCM(): clSemaphore::Wait() (3357)
! 2023/05/21 10:59:37 clHQPlayerEngine::Execute(): push to FIFO failed
2023/05/21 10:59:37 Stop request (reset)
& 2023/05/21 10:59:37 Stop…

2023/05/21 10:59:37 Playback engine stopped
& 2023/05/21 10:59:37 …stopped
2023/05/21 10:59:37 Set volume: -4 +
~ 2023/05/21 10:59:37 Adaptive transport gain: 0 dB (1)
2023/05/21 10:59:37 Control ended from [::1]:62361
2023/05/21 10:59:38 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:38 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:39 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 10:59:40 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:40 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:41 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters

2023/05/21 10:59:42 Control connection from [::1]:63182
2023/05/21 10:59:42 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:42 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:42 Control started from [::1]:63182
& 2023/05/21 10:59:43 Stop…
2023/05/21 10:59:43 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
& 2023/05/21 10:59:44 Playlist clear
& 2023/05/21 10:59:44 Playlist add URI: http://127.0.0.1:30000/a86225ace6aa4452b2c95ba2f56bce59/stream.raw
2023/05/21 10:59:44 Offload: resampler=disabled convolution=disabled
& 2023/05/21 10:59:44 Play
2023/05/21 10:59:44 Offload: resampler=disabled convolution=disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:44 Playback engine running
2023/05/21 10:59:44 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:44 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:45 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 10:59:45 SDM conversion parameters (9, 0)
2023/05/21 10:59:45 DSD 6 dB gain disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:45 Rate or blocksize change triggered
2023/05/21 10:59:45 Rate: 176400, block size: 9408, frame size: 37632
2023/05/21 10:59:45 Block size: 9408 (sample: 1)
2023/05/21 10:59:45 Analysis initialized
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Playback engine ratio: 2
2023/05/21 10:59:46 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:46 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Filter: sinc apodizing mega-gauss
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Dither: 15th order linear noise shaping for 16-bit
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Set volume: -4 +
~ 2023/05/21 10:59:46 Adaptive transport gain: 0 dB (1)
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Offload: resampler=disabled convolution=disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Initialization complete, starting audio engine
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Teams: 1
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Places: 0
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Parallel threads: 8
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Nested parallelism: 4
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Parallel pipelines: 4
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Offload: resampler=disabled convolution=disabled
! 2023/05/21 10:59:46 NAA output clNetEngine::PushPCM(): not connected to adapter
! 2023/05/21 10:59:46 clHQPlayerEngine::Execute(): push to FIFO failed
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Stop request (reset)
& 2023/05/21 10:59:46 Stop…

2023/05/21 10:59:46 Playback engine stopped
& 2023/05/21 10:59:46 …stopped
2023/05/21 10:59:46 Set volume: -4 +
~ 2023/05/21 10:59:46 Adaptive transport gain: 0 dB (1)
2023/05/21 10:59:47 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 10:59:48 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:48 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:49 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 10:59:50 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:50 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:51 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 10:59:52 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:52 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:53 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 10:59:54 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:54 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:55 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 10:59:56 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:56 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 10:59:57 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 10:59:58 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 10:59:58 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
& 2023/05/21 10:59:59 Pause
& 2023/05/21 10:59:59 Play

2023/05/21 10:59:59 Playback engine running
2023/05/21 10:59:59 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:00 SDM conversion parameters (9, 0)
2023/05/21 11:00:00 DSD 6 dB gain disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:00 Rate or blocksize change triggered
2023/05/21 11:00:00 Rate: 176400, block size: 9408, frame size: 37632
2023/05/21 11:00:00 Block size: 9408 (sample: 1)
2023/05/21 11:00:00 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:00 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:00 Analysis initialized
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Playback engine ratio: 2
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Filter: sinc apodizing mega-gauss
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Dither: 15th order linear noise shaping for 16-bit
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Set volume: -4 +
~ 2023/05/21 11:00:01 Adaptive transport gain: 0 dB (1)
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Offload: resampler=disabled convolution=disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Initialization complete, starting audio engine
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Teams: 1
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Places: 0
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Parallel threads: 8
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Nested parallelism: 4
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Parallel pipelines: 4
2023/05/21 11:00:01 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
! 2023/05/21 11:00:01 NAA output clNetEngine::PushPCM(): not connected to adapter
! 2023/05/21 11:00:01 clHQPlayerEngine::Execute(): push to FIFO failed
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Stop request (reset)
& 2023/05/21 11:00:01 Stop…

2023/05/21 11:00:01 Playback engine stopped
& 2023/05/21 11:00:01 …stopped
2023/05/21 11:00:01 Set volume: -4 +
~ 2023/05/21 11:00:01 Adaptive transport gain: 0 dB (1)
2023/05/21 11:00:02 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:02 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:03 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
& 2023/05/21 11:00:04 Stop…
2023/05/21 11:00:04 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:04 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:05 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:06 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:06 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
& 2023/05/21 11:00:06 Playlist save: /Users/ek/.hqplayer/current.m3u8
2023/05/21 11:00:07 Control ended from [::1]:63182
2023/05/21 11:00:07 Metering disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:07 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:08 network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:08 discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:14 MP3 decoders:
2023/05/21 11:00:14 NEON64
2023/05/21 11:00:14 generic
2023/05/21 11:00:14 generic_dither
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Supported MP3 decoders:
2023/05/21 11:00:14 NEON64
2023/05/21 11:00:14 generic
2023/05/21 11:00:14 generic_dither
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Current MP3 decoder: generic_dither
2023/05/21 11:00:14 libDSP version 29.6.0
2023/05/21 11:00:14 HQPlayer Engine version 5.0.1
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Processors physical=8 logical=8 performance=4 efficiency=4 groups=2 packages=1 nodes=1
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Processor caches:
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=1 group=0 size=128kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=1 group=0 size=128kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=1 group=0 size=128kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=1 group=0 size=128kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=1 group=1 size=64kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=1 group=1 size=64kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=1 group=1 size=64kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=1 group=1 size=64kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=2 group=0 size=12288kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 level=2 group=1 size=4096kB
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Number of processor cores: 8
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Number of performance core groups: 1
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Core mask: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001111
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Core pinning enabled
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Pool threads: 4
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Initial parallel threads: 4
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Number of logical cores: 8
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Efficiency core mask: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000011110000
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Core pinning:
2023/05/21 11:00:14 0: [0:0] 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000110001
2023/05/21 11:00:14 0m: [0:0] 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
2023/05/21 11:00:14 1: [0:0] 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000011000010
2023/05/21 11:00:14 1m: [0:0] 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010
2023/05/21 11:00:14 DSP thread pools enabled (2 / 2)
2023/05/21 11:00:14 DSP pipelines enabled
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Pipelined engine enabled
2023/05/21 11:00:14 DirectSDM disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Audio engine: network
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Input set channels: 2 (2)
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Input DAC bits: 16
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Input supports DSD with any base rate
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Input set channels: 2 (2)
2023/05/21 11:00:14 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Normal buffers
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Volume max: -4
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Volume min: -60
2023/05/21 11:00:14 PCM gain compensation: 1 (0 dB)
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Set volume: -60 +
2023/05/21 11:00:14 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Automatic rate family enabled
2023/05/21 11:00:14 Full pause processing
2023/05/21 11:00:15 SDM conversion parameters (9, 0)
2023/05/21 11:00:15 DSD 6 dB gain disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:15 Control active volume range: -60 - -4 dB

2023/05/21 11:00:15 clControlServerThread::AddInput(): clXmlElement::GetAttribute(“type”): not found

2023/05/21 11:00:15 Network interfaces:
2023/05/21 11:00:15 if[bridge1] ipv4=192.168.1.72 ipv6=2001:861:5e4b:e260:14b7:9637:191c:f02e idx=14
2023/05/21 11:00:15 if[lo0] ipv4=127.0.0.1 ipv6=::1 idx=1
2023/05/21 11:00:15 Listen discovery on bridge1
2023/05/21 11:00:15 Set filter: 47 / 47
2023/05/21 11:00:15 Set oversampling: 50 / 50
2023/05/21 11:00:15 Set dither: 9
2023/05/21 11:00:15 Set modulator: 18
2023/05/21 11:00:15 AutoSDM disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:15 Audio engine is normal
2023/05/21 11:00:15 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:16 SDM conversion parameters (9, 0)
2023/05/21 11:00:16 DSD 6 dB gain disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:16 Audio engine PCM mode enabled
2023/05/21 11:00:16 Automatic output rate switching enabled
2023/05/21 11:00:16 Set volume: -4 +
2023/05/21 11:00:16 Set volume: -4 +
2023/05/21 11:00:16 Adaptive volume enabled
2023/05/21 11:00:16 20 kHz filter enabled
2023/05/21 11:00:16 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:16 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:17 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:18 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:18 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:19 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:20 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:20 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:21 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:22 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:22 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:23 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:24 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:24 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0
2023/05/21 11:00:25 NAA output discovered 0 Network Audio Adapters
2023/05/21 11:00:26 NAA output network Audio IPv6 support disabled
2023/05/21 11:00:26 NAA output discovery from 0.0.0.0

dabassgoesboomboom · May 21, 2023, 9:13am

From personal experience you’ll get a quicker reply emailing Jussi your log file directly.

Also if everyone posts long log files issues here, it is a lot for the eyes

Dandou · May 21, 2023, 9:15am

Thank you for the advice. I don’t visit Roon’s forum very often.
I’ll e-mail the log file to Jussi.

dabassgoesboomboom · May 21, 2023, 9:17am

All good. Is that Gentoo Player running on a RPi4?

If not, what hardware?

Dandou · May 21, 2023, 9:24am

NAA runs on an i3 NUC that is configured as a Diretta Host.
The sound is rendered by NAA on the Host, and then streamed with the Diretta protocol to the end-point: an Allo USBridge that also runs GentooPlayer, and is configured as a Diretta Target.

Stefan_Jorma · May 21, 2023, 10:44am

To everyone, asking about the difference I perceive between HQPe proprietary player vs. Roon … I my case they are now running on same PC (Linux Ubuntu desktop version) (same load, same track, same source (Qobuz, 24-192, various tracks), same cables, same network piers, same f****ng everything, to exactly same NAA (self-built pc with tons of capacity vs required) with attention to grounding details and noise reduction, where a Matrix Element H is mounted (galvanically isolated from MB, powered from Keces P3 linear psu, disconnected from pc smps, also feeding the RME DAC with same ground potential) putting out bit stream to same RME DAC in direct DSD mode exactly same way and same config settings irrespective of HQPe Player or Roon Player, så that HQPe re-/upsampling is streamed directly to sf steady clocked buffert and in to AKM4493EQ chip without any interference from RME onboard DSP. It cannot be more “same” to compare, and HQPe is superior to Roon. The noise is lower (I am an electrical engineer and have been working for a number of years with my own rig and now also develop filters for a hifi brand for the mains noise) thanks to a meticulously arranged grounding system for all devices, mains, digital and analogue signal paths, the dynamics consequently higher, very clearly audible transient speed improvement and phrasing. Have had a number of guests now where I switched back and forth, not telling what was playing and everyone prefered HQPe Player.

Roon is so much nicer to use, but HQPe is sonically better and by far more natural and that is what counts for me. It would be very interesting though to know what does the difference …

Eminent_One · May 21, 2023, 4:10pm

What does your Roon signal path look like? If you can post a screenshot.
Also, is any dsp enabled in Roon and is headroom management on/off?

musicjunkie917 · May 21, 2023, 7:05pm

Again, in my experience, using Roon as the player or HQPlayer client as the player makes absolutely no difference in my setup using HQPlayer 5 Desktop and a Holo Audio Red NAA to a Holo Audio May DAC.

The Red and the May are getting the same musical data from HQPlayer 5 Desktop in both cases so how could it sound different? What is your explanation for the difference you hear? Are you suggesting that the NAA or the DAC are getting different data?

Stefan_Jorma · May 22, 2023, 5:07am

I am not suggesting anyhting. I am just experiencing that what is “played” to HQPe re-/upsampling section set on te config page from either Roon or HQPe prorieteray player clearly is audible different and in favor of HQPe player. I think there must be some difference in data sent to the NAA and forwards to the DAC as the is a difference. As the ingeneer I am, I knew I hade to cancel any differences in signal path out, i e cables network piers, pc’s, hardware in general. There could not remain anything causing indifferences in signal path, but solely the software comparison taking place in one single unit, equal to both playback systems, and all adjacent hardware/software identical i both playback cases, not to inflict any other differences.

It is spooky, but nevertheless true and no subtle almost inaudible making it possible to derive to wether you’ve had both cups of coffee that day or just one. Everyone hear it, and the one’s that have, clearly prefer HQPe player as the most natural sounding and dynamic. I have a recording with Air on the G string, where there is a cembalo in the orchestra and I know the recording very well and have followed me for years. Playing it now is probably what the medicine thought of first time x-raying tissue.

Stefan_Jorma · May 22, 2023, 5:12am

Everything’s turned off in Roon. I followed Jussis recommendation to the letter and never looked back. Roon should not do any DSP, at least when HQP is the receiver, even though its DSP functions sounds ok, if played directly to a DAC. The HQPe re-configuration is so powrful, it resembles nothing I have ever encountered except tuning power supplies.

Try to remember a pic. I am in my motorhome now.

dabassgoesboomboom · May 22, 2023, 8:26am

Thx for the reminder - time for my 2nd cuppa !

musicjunkie917 · May 22, 2023, 9:15am

What could the difference be? Maybe @jussi_laako can tell us. If Roon sends a song to HQPlayer or the HQPlayer client sends a song to HQPlayer, do you think one setup is sending different data to the NAA than the other?

Stef_Dahl · May 22, 2023, 11:00am

@jussi_laako : with HQP5 and my A26, I get crack/glitch when starting DSD playback or when changing source frequency. In fact, it’s mostly with the Sinc-MGa filter (I haven’t tested with all the others).

ffk · May 22, 2023, 9:30pm

I can’t stand it when ppl drink/or offer coffee to others on tv and in movies… I’m always like I want some coffee! And then I have to go make some!

So thanks guys… I have to go make coffee now!