C’mon guys. Give it a try. The uR output SQ is far better then the one of my Zen MKIII. And in this case, Darko just pointed the way around. So this must be system dependent, or rather say DAC dependent. I use a modded OPPO 205 and the Zen running just Roon Core. The end point is an uR. I also use a eR as a switch.
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Darko, the guy who pretends to be your mate in the pub who once started a review by comparing two bottles of mineral water? 
But seriously you’re saying you hear improved sound quality by plugging a ultraRendu (is that uR) between your media server and your DAC?
What is it doing to the signal to cause this? I’ve read a number of articles but still don’t understand what they’re doing to the signal. And why not add whatever they do straight into the media server?
Thanks
H
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Dear HUD. I am not an expert, so I can’t comment. But everything runs about the clock and quality of the current. Servers do care about this and you can also install a special USB card on your computer as the ones from JCAT or others. What I am saying is that the implementation of the USB by uR sounds better (on my system) than the one by zen MKIII.
On a side note, this also happens with the Ethernet port. The etherRegen that I also use with the Zen has dramatically improved the sound of my Zen. Of course the final results are also dependent on the LPS used… usually there is a close relationship between price and SQ, unfortunately… 
If you’re curious go to computer audiophile forum and look for eR and uR or oR. Currently almost all my devices have upgraded LPS: plex HD100 - router; clones áudio - OPPO 205; 10gteck - LPS 1.2; oM - LPS 1.2; eR - Farad; uR - Farad; Buffalo 2016 - sBooster + ultra; isoRegen - sBooster + ultra. Still need to see which device benefits more from each LPS, but the sound is extraordinary! I hope I was helpful.
Cheers. Jorge
Hi Jorge thanks for info on your setup. I will try the ultraRendu at Xmas when I have some time, though blind testing will be a challenge. Interesting about all your LPS’ s. I guess I will at some point make that journey!
But I also want to see if I could hear a difference by moving up to the Statement, trying to negotiate a loan 
H
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You can find second hand uR at a very reasonable prices from people that moved to the oR. I was also considering this but after spend so much in upgraded LPS’s, I’ve settled for a while…
Hud,
My experience with my Innuos Statement (which I believe uses the same processor as the MK3) and Roon is using the Statement as Core and Endpoint does sound good using the DSP but…
Using the Statement in Experimental Mode is definitely better. Its not to hard to set up. There are lots of posts on how to. If you aren’t going to seperate the Core and Endpoint I highly recommend it.
I found unloading the Roon Core function from the Statement was better in my system. Not making the Innuos run the DSP makes it better in spite of having to network to a seperate Core.
I purchased a used Antipodes Core for use as a Roon Core. I use the DSP to DSD 512 with no problems. The Antipodes Core sits right next to the Statement with a SOtM switch in between.
I am sorry to tell you that good Ethernet Cables and the switch make a huge difference.
You should be happy with Experimental mode now and when you are ready to take the plunge and go to the next level, get something to run the Core on - look at Small Green Computers and get a good switch like an EtherRegen and cables.
Choices, choices… the Antipodes is like a high end Nucleus, right? So you use the Statement as an end point…
In my situation instead of core on Zenith and ultraRendu as end point, I could put roon core on a Nucleus and use the zenith as an endpoint? Is that right?
(Why put a switch in between, can’t you run an Ethernet cable from the antipodes direct to the Statement?)
Thanks
H
Yes using the Zenith as an endpoint is what I am doing.
My understanding is the processor in the Zenith is chosen for low noise, it is sufficient for running both Roon core and endpoint but using DSP in the core makes it work hard and adds noise. It struggled converting to DSD above 128. Using the Zenith as an endpoint only is easy on the processor and keeps the noise down. It is a really good endpoint but not the best core.
The Antipodes uses an i5 processor and is built to be very quiet. It will convert to DSD 512 with no issues. I was looking for a used SonicTransporter 5 when I found the Antipodes.
The Antipodes is USB out only. l need to use an ethernet switch to connect the core to the Zenith. I have an EtherRegen, SOtM switch and English Electric Switch8 between my router and Statement. Each brought an improvement.
Last night I added an ENO Ag noise reducer between the Switch8 and the Statement- I am shocked at what it does. https://www.networkacoustics.com/product/eno-ag-ethernet-network-optimiser/ it has a 30 day return policy. I am not sending it back and may order another to try after the router.
I read a lot about how separating the core and endpoint adds network noise but in my system the same file on the Statement and Antipodes sounds better played from the Statement’s HDD sent to the Switch8 then to the SOtM switch then to Roon Core on the Antipodes for processing then back to the SOtM and then Switch8 and then Statement and finally to the DAC vs Antipodes HDD to the Roon Core on the Antipodes then to the SOtM then Switch8 and then Statement to the DAC.
Dont forget to try Experimental mode on the Innuos, you might be surprised at what it does.
No, no you can’t do this to me Stephen! Not another component I need! My wife thinks I’m an addict already 
That’s just amazing to read and thanks for sharing. I see what youre doing, and your saying the extra journey taken is compensated by a less noisy, less jittery signal that finally arrives at the DAC
Are you blind testing this? Or is it just obvious? I find it difficult to compare between audio if there’s too much of a gap between changes.
Cheers
H
Hud,
Like most wives they know us better than we do, she is probably spot on.
I bought a Linn Sondek LP12 around 1980 and completely bought into their belief that source matters- spend more on the turntable than the amps and speakers. They had a saying Garbage in Garbage out. I believe that holds true for digital. The Music Server and Streamer are more important than the DAC- Garbage in Garbage out. Of course the network can contribute a lot of Garbage so I see it as an extension of the source especially if you use Tidal or Qobuz.
As far as evaluating, the benefit of Experimental Mode was obvious, it was an immediate Oh Yea. I had to go back and forth to pick up that I liked taking the Roon Core off the Innuos. Running DSP on the Innuos degraded the sound and it could not process DSP DSD above 128.
The EtherRegen was the first network component I bought, it was a subtle sharpening and quieting effect, I removed it a few times to be sure I was really hearing a difference. Adding the SOtM switch was an immediate boost to fullness and richness. Adding the Switch8 was similar but an expansion of dynamics. Finally adding the ENO well its just crazy what it does for the price. I dont know how to describe the effect of the ENO, it adds blackness, clarity, richness and detail that is soothing. Maybe the biggest change benefit of the ENO is on is timing (the PRAT thing).
I think the great sound I am getting is more than a sum of the parts, I believe there is a synergy with all the pieces but I am not motivated to start taking out components as access is difficult and I worry I will short something.
Something else to chew on, I ordered a ENO silver USB cable with the Noise Reducer and today replaced the Curious USB cable I was using. The ENO is also on a 30 day return policy but it is not going back. It was another immediate Oh Wow evaluation.
Have you tried Experimental Mode yet, my simple understanding is that the file is buffered and played from memory and that reduces processor demand which reduces noise.
I think jitter is the shiny thing everyone is looking at but fixing jitter isnt going to matter much if were passing along electrical noise.
My next shiny thing is the clocks the EtherRegen and SOtM, they both have 50 ohm 10 Mhz clock inputs and I hear them telling me “don’t waste us”.
Steve
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When I’ve tried to use my Mac Mini as an external Roon core (instead of using my Zenith mk3 as a core & player), using my Zenith mk3 only as an endpoint/player, music doesn’t seemed to get added to my library folder properly after import into the Zenith.
Has anyone experienced this?
In Roon go to settings, then storage. Click on the three dots to the right of the screen. Chose ‘Force Rescan’.
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Hi Stephen,
I am thinking of taking this step with my Zenith MK3 . While I can see that the Zenith can run as a core and player I have got an Intel NUC I can configure as a ROCK, leaving the Zenith as a Roon Endpoint/Music storage with USB to a DAVE. As I can run the NUC off the Zenith’s Ethernet port does that solve any network impacts or are the data packets still going across the whole network rather than just between the Zenith/NUC? Anything else to take into account?
Cheers
Dave
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Hi Hud, just saw your message now. Please take into consideration that everybody that I know that has a Zenith considers it better than the uR. I was just reporting my results with the Zen! By the way I just moved to an oR. It improved things a little but no ‘Wow’ factor. Meanwhile after a couple of experiments I decided to connect my eR to the oR and here yes!!! Fantastic.
So my setup:
Router>Rj45>oM>SFP>Buffalo 2016>SFP>oM>Rj45>Zen Mk iii>Rj45>eR>SFP>oR>USB>RUR>USB>iR>USB>
DAC.
I know… the spaghetti…
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Very helpfull Chris , thank you much !
Hi Guys
Can you confirm this will work ? I’m a bit confused about the two ethernet ports in the Innous. Are they bridged? Or both equal?
Also have anyone tried a second EtherRegen with B side connected to LAN in ?
The second RJ45 Port is galvanically separated from the rest and maybe some other filtering is going on, so it is meant to connect there your streamer PS audio. However you even have the more expensive EtherRegen, so you skipped on that and I think it should work that way.