Finger cross. HiFi stream is - for me - better than Tidal, better SQ by far. Deezer GO!
I also desperately missing deezer <-> roon integration!
For all deezer user, pls let your voice heard here:
Roon compatibility with Deezer | Deezer Community, bringing music lovers together
It looks like Deezer representatives do not care that thread.
i would love to use roon. but without deezer integration i wonāt buy it
You can also rent it.
Iāve been at Deezer a long time ago. I donāt know if it is possible to playback gapless now, otherwise it doesnāt make sense to integrate it anyway.
I donāt see any reason for other services. There are apps to transfer Your playlists and Your library from one service to Tidal or Qobuz, so why?
For the music genres I like Deezerās catalogue is much bigger than TIDAL and Qobuzā¦
I do understand this. Iāve been at Spotify before I changed to Tidal because of Roon. Iāve ālostā some good albums and playlists not available at Tidal. But I find it better to have two working services than many services with many problems.
Yes, because of the integration with Roon I have a subscription to TIDAL. Should Deezer Hifi ever be integrated with Roon, then I know what to do
@danny
why do you think the ball is only in deezerās court.
even if they have not reached out ,canāt your team reach out and make an effort.
iam sure you will agree as much as important is for roon to roll out new features in UI.,integration of more services should also be a very high priority
i listen to to a lot of indian music which are nowhere to be found in tidal or qobuz.adding deezer or amazon HD would be of great help and a welcome relief for roon lifetime subscribers like me.
Hasnāt this been answered loads of times
The data upload Roon requires to achieve the slick interface is often either not available or not willing to be available.
I believe Roon has approached other services in the past outlining their data requirements bu5 have received a Luke warm reception .
Adding any old service with what API they are prepared to give will not meet Roonās demanding standards
@Mike_O_Neill
iam very well aware of the historical reasons why it did not happen and what has been discussed earlier.
the data upload and the api you are talking about is with reference to amazon HD and not deezer.
with deezer i think it was some broken round of communication i guess.
if you are not interested in these services fine, but for folks who are interested we will definitely keep insisting again
also the roon team should not rule out the possibility to reimagine roonās architecture may be to support api with some adapters or may be with second class integration instead of first class integration of tidal/qobuzz where data dumps are available vs Not available.
may be to lessen roonās demanding standards in favor of more services
more services are defnitely more important for viability of both roon and its subscribers in the longer run
@danny this is how I feel about that situation, as a paying customerā¦
With all due respect, donāt you think you should at least consider taking your product where your actual paying customers like to see it? An end-user could not care less for your technical reasons why something is hard to do - theyāre paying for your product because you do this hard work to begin with.
Personally, Iād very much like to see Deezer, too, because Qobuzā library has considerable gaps and Tidal, to me, is significantly tainted by MQA, which, in my opinion, is a frickinā scam, and the reason why Iām not willing giving my money to Tidal any more.
Fact is: Thereās open source tools on github, free of charge, that manage to keep on top of Deezerās API to download their flac files for premium users and thereās services like soundiiz, which manage to transfer and sync favorite artists, albums, and playlists across a gazilion services. Yes, this includes WRITING playlists and favorites back to the services (again, for free, with premium features for very cheap)⦠something that roon, with itās ādemanding standardsā has yet to be able to do.
If you donāt care about what your userbase wants or are just incapable of doing some of these things - fine. Then just say āitās not on our roadmapā instead of trying to gaslight your paying customers making up excuses.
Frankly, right now roonās HQPlayer integration is the ONLY reason Iām still paying for it and besides the rant above I could name quite a few other really basic failures of roon in its current state. I could gloss over all that before the last big update, but ever since than, I canāt group multiple USB dacs on the same remote any more and the UI is way worse than before overall. Iāve recommended Roon before but I just canāt justify that any more either.
Iād really like to love your product more but itās hard, when youāre constantly giving your paying customers the middle finger with a smile on your face.
You just shot the messengerā¦
youāre rightā¦
sorry @Mike_O_Neill - I got carried away a bit because I inferred affiliation due to the apologetic nature of your postā¦
But who even to address this to? Last reply from a roonlabs employee was from their COO in July last year⦠thatās how much they care, so, yeahā¦
Itās Deezerās decision if they want to work with Roon. This has been a topic (of discussion) for several years.
Deezer is a great service, but itās not compatible.
While technically accurate, I feel that ādemanding standardsā has an implication that we are being unreasonable. Roon is not like any other āmusic playerā. We have demanding standards because its the only way to do what we do.
It is impossible to do so much of Roon with just the APIs they provide. No Roon Radio, no recommendations, or anything else Valence-based. No search beyond what Deezer provides. No composers, no classical works. The API these services provide is the bare minimum needed to provide a simple menu-like navigation structure. Hell, we couldnāt even link them accurately to your own local files, so no mixing of Deezer and your library.
To get Deezer in Roon using Deezerās API only would get you nothing you like in Roon ā youād get a sub-par Deezer interface. In that case, why not use Deezer?
Sometimes we do, and sometimes we refuse to build the faster horse. In this case, we feel that itād be confusing and devalue Roon as a whole. I equate it to loving the sound of a Honda, and asking Ferrari to just make a car sound like a Honda. Weird and devalues the Ferrari.
Weāve asked Deezer to integrate properly. They can do it, and some people there are interested. They clearly lack the decision-making powers needed to move forward.
There was traffic by their support staff, 15 days ago:
I guess more people want to do this, but there is a project they need to get done first, which will take them āthe course of 2021ā.
Iād love to do this. Weād get a ton of Deezerās customers and Deezer could offer a product fit for āhifiā.
You may not like TIDALās MQA, you may not care for Qobuz, but at least they have HiFi goals aligned with you. They made Roon support happen. I donāt understand why youād stick with a streaming service that isnāt aligned with your goals⦠or maybe they are, in which case you are in the unfortunate position of having to choose.
You can ask all you want here, you can make any argument you want, but until Deezer gives us something resembling what we need to make good product, we canāt move forward. It just doesnāt make sense to do some hack-jobs and bolt-ons.
@danny I do understand that you have a premium product vision and Iād be inclined to buy the koolaid if it werenāt for some glaring shortcomings that roon hasnāt fixed to date that thwart this story for me as a user even beyond your clear lack of empathy for me as an individual.
You fail to even consider that your userbase is diverse and uses your product in many different ways. Instead you are prescribing an intended way to use it and colour every use case incompatible with your design goals as ālesserā - consequently painting the individual with that use case the same way. This is beyond Cupertino levels of self-righteous - just plain ugly.
Not everyone cares about classical music much, let alone enough to care at all for the new composer related features of the current version. Sure, Roon Radio and your recommendation engine are nice, but some people hardly make use of that. Some people have a very structured local collection, which the roon interface makes needlessly hard to browse compared to just a simple file system browsing interface for usecases like local, physical playlists, multiple versions of the same album, etc.
Easy sharing of Tidal or Qobuz links for stuff youāre listening to? No!
Being able to just browse the file system of your local collection? No!
Support for CUE files in your local collection? No!
Being able to keep playlists and favorite artists, albums in sync with Tidal and Qobuz? No!
An Android app that doesnāt freeze all the time? Not any more after the last big update!
A functional, well usable UI? Not as much after the last big update!
Grouping multiple USB DACs on the same remote? Not any more after the last big update!
And those are just the things on top of my head.
But hey, not having any way to play stuff off of Deezer is better than having Deezer support without the deep composer and recommendation features.
Heck, even your reference to the āfaster horseā quote⦠you even linked it to an article that, in bold letters, states pretty much right in the beginning that we have no evidence that Ford ever said this. You know what we do have evidence for? That Fordās refusal to paint his cars any other colour than black ultimately left huge openings for his competition to get a foothold. And speaking of your references to car-related anecdotes vis-a-vis asking Ferrari to make a car that sounds like a Honda: Enter the Ferrari Purosangue.
But why am I even arguing⦠You made it very clear that you donāt really care⦠Or maybe you even truly do believe that Iām just āholding it wrongā.
I linked the article to explain the reference to people reading this that may not know the phrase. Itās pretty obvious that Ford didnāt say it, but completely irrelevant to the point.
Iām a bit confused to why you use Roon. What value to do get out of it? It seems you think all the major features arenāt worth using, broken, or donāt exist. What does it do that you love so much that you want Deezer support added to Roon?
Explain to me the thing you want with Deezer and why it makes sense in Roon⦠clearly Iām missing it.
Initially, I got into Roon because Tidalās native client has an audible, negative impact on sound quality - especially in exclusive mode. This has also been objectively shown. I then got to like the fact that Roon also give me a unified view of my Tidal favorites and my local library.
With the accumulating evidence that the only benefactors of MQA really is the company that holds its IP, but otherwise harms sound quality and limits consumerās choice ([1], [2], [3 (taken down)], [4 (archive version of 3)], [5]) I decided to switch to Qobuz instead. The problem is that Qobuzā catalog has some glaring gaps. Having used Deezer in the past I know that their catalog is on par with that of Spotify, in some areas even larger. And they also offer at least redbook quality lossless music with their Hifi plan. Having Deezer integration into Roon would allow me to fill Qobuzā gaps seemlessly.
I hope this clears up why Iād love to see Deezer integration into Roon, even if it was ābasicā. The way I used Tidal and now use Qobuz from Roon is pretty basic⦠I search for stuff, I favorite stuff (well, add it to my library), I play back stuff. The critcal part for me though is Roonās native HQPlayer integration - a feature that hardly any other player has and those which do have an absolutely horrible UX compared to Roon (despite the complaints I have about Roonās UX, too).
I can imagine that your recommandation engine and Roon Radio may be based on an ML model that you control and maybe you need the services to provide you with their entire meta data set initially and then stream changes to you behind the curtains on an ongoing basis so you can keep this model well trained but having that would be the icing on the cake for me and Iād rather have a cake with no icing than no cake at all if that makes sense.
I know that for example Spotify actively works against such an integration but Deezer has an API available right now that can be used to query the catalog for a large amount of metadata, incl. UPC of albums (which could be used for the matching feature in Roon), as well as a JavaScript SDK allowing even custom players with arbitrary or no UI at all - completely controlled by script.
In that vein, a basic integration of other services I think would be added value no matter what. For me itās Deezer, for someone else it might be Bandcamp, yet someone else might wanna see yet another service.
What threw me off entirely in your responses was the messaging that coloured Deezer unwilling to collaborate and Roonlabs technically unable to provide any integration based on whatās out there right now and I believe neither of those points. More to the point, it looks - put friendly - very weird when the COO of a company colours a potential partner like that while at the same time saying that said company would love to work with that partner. It just doesnāt add up. Adding to that the talk of high standards, when thereās still very basic things not available in Roon that should a) be easy to implement and b) are basic enough to be expected - especially from a paid product.
I also realize that you have business reasons for trying to shift the onus towards Deezer as they may have more dev resources to spare than you and given both of your business models and markets youād both profit from an integration. But maybe thereās merrit to be found in deviating from an āall or nothingā stance every once in a while. Or, alternatively, expand your plugin API to allow for community-provided ābasicā service providers. Anything, really.