On Roon 2.0 (1490) and canât see Headphone EQ option when using headphones connected to USB DragonFly Black on the Mac that runs the Roon Server and Mac Remote. In fact, there are no options under Muse. The endpoint shows as âDragonFly Core Audio.â I see the Headphone EQ option for the Evo 150 endpoint, but I donât often use headphones on the Evo. Is Muse not supported for Mac Core Audio endpoints or just not for DragonFly Black?
And now, weirdly, the DragonFly has all of the settings from the Evo 150 endpoint and Headphone EQ is available. Restarting Roon Remote cleaned all this up. DragonFly now shows separate settings and Evo 150 endpoint settings are intact.
Yes I agree, and comparing the Resolve EQ once in Roon as PEQ I could clearly see where it was different and why it sounded different. Then I brought the Resolve down a tad in the 1k range to bring it more in line with Oratory and other OPRA examples , keeping the 2K zone as it was. Perfik!
Would be cool if roon could also add 3D Sound Emulation in roon⌠I know itâs possible with a blackhole (digital soundcard) and external software but maybe roon could consider integration of such software if the user buys a license . Same for Dirac support
That is correct. The Harmon curve is a headphone tuning based on the average preference of many listeners. Headphones tuned to reproduce a truly flat frequency response would not sound good for most people. Headphones tuned to the Harmon curve would sound good for most people.
Thank you âConference of the Birdsâ Jazzfanđ
I did now concentrate on the Harman target curve for the Huawei buds. I have found a strange pic for it, with a lot of dB boost which I canât believe to be right:
Thanks to Grasshopper for looking into it, as seen on your screenshot it shoold be the Harman 2017 in ear curve.
Comparing this OPRA profile to âno profileâ the headroom seems to be right adjusted at about -3dB which is reasonable with the boost at about 125Hz. And it sounds really more pleasurable than without, so everything good here nowđ I will search for oratory1990 Harman target profiles for my other headphones when I am back home from my holidaysâŚ
Thanks as well to Tim_Woodward with whom I share the opinion 100% that there should be a measured curve of the headphones and then the curve measured again with the EQ curve applied to show how it meets the target. I really canât imagine a target curve wich could be met with those other profiles for those Huawei buds if this oratory1990 Harman Target curve is correct to meet the Harman target.
Maybe you are aware but you can click the little arrow at bottom right hand of the OPRA EQ display and it will create a perfectly ordinary Roon PEQ setting for you, so you can see exactly the preamp gain down the right hand side of the display⌠hard to explain!
I did not use that before, makes totally sense to use it for examining the amount of boost and therefor the amount of headroom. In my case it is 3.2 dB, this cannot be adjusted in Muse headroom setting, as it only has 0.5dB steps (going down to -30dB, for whatever this can be good forâŚ). But volume comparing shows, that the headroom setting in OPRA profiles seem to be correct, so i dismiss my assumption in my first post about itđââď¸
And again I thank you very much for the input! The created ROON EQ setting can be used then without headroom, which is not needed, as I use volume leveling always, and this decreases the volume anyway giving enough headroom. Now the buds have enough punch and efficiency as i like, I believe my headphones at home will work well too with this solutionđ
Someone passed on this track to me for testing, if anything is going to clip this will! itâs available on Qobuz so should be elsewhereâŚ
Enable headroom management in Muse and set the headroom to 0 (presuming no headroom set on the PEQ itself) and play this track, if the little blue âqualityâ icon on the Now Playing screen doesnât go red your good to go⌠crazy track, great for testing speakers, hope your ears donât bleed!!
I had already made pretty good EQ curves for all my headphones.
But unsurprisingly, a computer algorithm that was written specifically to take a given headphoneâs frequency response graph and turn it into EQ parameters does a better job of it than I was able to do by trial and error.
Tonality should not be confused with frequency response. Opra can be used to change or adjust the frequency response of a given headphone so that it better oneâs hearing and tastes, however the tonality of the headphone will not be changed. Opra is kind of like room treatment and correction for headphones.
I have one query , not particularly a showstopper,
When I apply an EQ from OPRA , I have to turn the volume up may from 40 to 47 (on my Naim scale). Manually applying EQ âthe hard wayâ was just the same. My amp has the headroom to cope with this BUT.
If Roon can apply Gain to a signal to balance volume output for Volume Levelling why is there no similar adjustment for OPRA,
One bit I donât understand is why switching on and off the EQ canât be volume balanced so a direct AB comparison can be made. Equally where there are several EQ setting , say Sennheiser HD800, volume leveling would make it simple to derive a preference between several EQâs
Am I missing something or is it a feature request ?
EQ in Roon (PEQ, convolution, or OPRA) is applied in the digital domain so it cannot actually apply gain (to do so would cause clipping to occur which would be an audible, unpleasant artifact).
Instead, what happens is that âgainâ at one frequency is applied relatively by attenuating all of the other frequencies.
This essentially means that EQ in Roon (when applied correctly) always reduces the overall signal amitude which then has to be compensated for by increasing the analogue gain in your amplifier.
If you wanted to do an AB comparison, then the easiest way is to apply a headroom adjustment to the non-Opera setup, to reduce itâs output signal amplide, to do the volume matching. Since this will apply uniformly across all frequencies, it will not effect the audio characteristics except to increase the nose levels slightly.
Yes I was missing something , I bow to your superior knowledge once again
BUT could not a set of EQ once determined , be measured as to the drop in gain and that gain be pre-applied by Roon before applying the EQ hence coming out neutral ??
Dan Clark always tunes his headphones using the Harmon Curve and the squiglink measures confirm this, as does your own EQ settings, which are providing a very minor correction.
I listened to the Noire X this past weekend at CanJam and damn, are they sweet.
itâs available on Qobuz so should be elsewhereâŚ
