More Adventures with Metadata :)

I spent far too much time cleaning and editing a recent album: Lorraine Hunt Lieberson’s Händel Arias. I consulted the label website in addition to Discogs and MusicBrainz.

It appears that the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment performs on tracks 1-9 and 18-20. Yet Roon says that “All tracks performed by Orchestra of the age of Enlightenment”.

The other strange one is that Roon say Mozart is a co-composer with Händel (along with Thomas Morell who is acknowledged as the librettist/lyricist)

I use Yate as my tag editor. Here are the tracks with Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment:

and without:

Händel is the sole composer for all tracks.

So why would Roon present Mozart as a co-composer and why would the Orchestra Of The Age Of Enlightenment be credited as performing on all tracks?

Life (and music) goes on, but questions remain… Any insights?

I am trying to recall how this works, but I think that tagging the OoAoE as an Album Artist makes them appear on every work/track. If you remove them as an Album Artists, but eave them tagged in the Artists section, what happens?

There are several releases of this album, and the SACD, which I own, clearly files the OAE as a primary artist for all tracks. And so does roon if your local version is identified as the SACD released in 2004.

Solution: Go to Edit Album > Identify Album and choose the 2025 Remastered version, despite discrepancies in track duration.

It will assign orchestra credits for the OAE only to ´Theodora´ and ´Serse´ tracks:

In this set of metadata, the OAE is not credited as an album artist or primary artist, nor is there any association with Mozart. You might want to make sure that you don´t have such erroneous tags in your files.

Thank you @Brian_Resch and @Arindal ,

Brian- I initially included OoAoE (or OAE) as the album artists since they are acknowledged on the album cover:

As you suggested, I removed OAE as the album artist for all tracks (since they don’t appear on tracks 10-17) but nothing changed after I had Roon rescan the album. Therefore, I will add OAE back as an album artist.

Arindal- I have the 2025 CD version. I followed your steps and was able to find the 2025 version (after first selecting the 2004 version).

After doing so, the presented metadata is more filled out and Lieberson is looking up and to our right (where above and on the 2004 cover she is looking up and straight ahead), but OAE is still listed as “all track performed by…”, the year is now listed at 2004, and Mozart continues to be ever-present. Maybe I can make those edits directly in Roon.

David

Removing the album Artist for a part of the tracks might not be sufficient in some cases. There is also an assignment mechanism of credits for the whole album, unrelated to the tracks. After removing the credit in question from the tracks, you have to additionally go to Edit > Edit Album and remove the OAE both as a primary artist AND in all the credits assigned to the album.

My guess would be that these credits originate from file tags, and roon remembers them even if you manually identify the album as a different version (the 2025 remaster in this case). You would need to manually remove them, or temporarily remove the album from the folders, clean up the library and re-import using the 2025 metadata set and ´prefer roon´ for the credits.

There are indeed 3 versions, with the 2025 remaster having a slightly different cover. I have added the 2004 CD version, and I have the SACD in my local library. No sign of Mozart credit whatsoever.

A possible way that Mozart could be valid here, is if the conductor chose one of Mozart’s re-orchestrations/arrangements. Mozart modernized some of Handel’s works for the “modern” classical orchestra from the baroque.

Another scenario could be that an AI, while writing the liner notes for this latest release, scoured available resources and discovered that at one time, one of the arias or oratorios in common here with a different recording did use one of Mozart’s orchestrations, and determined that all incidences must therefore deserve a credit.

Classical Music tagging is a challenge, I went thru that with my own collection. In the end I decided to go custom and developed a pipeline that relies heavily on musicbrainz.org. I’m offering now a modest service for dedicated collectors, see details at Classical and Jazz metadata

@Arindal - I always through that making edits in my tag editor and selecting Library → Import Settings → Prefer File (my default) would mean that the file tags to precedence.

So I went into Edit Album and removed OAE as a primary artists and in the credits:

I then had Roon rescan the album and the OAE is still credited as performing on all tracks:

I also moved the album to an unwatched folder, rescanned the library and returned it. Mozart and OAE remain. Maybe it’s the AI gods…

Which is correct, because you apparently did not edit the credits for tracks 10-17, removing the OAE from these tracks. The line “All tracks performed by Orchestra…” indicate credits are still assigned to all tracks, for whatever reason.

Roon handles album credits, primary artists and track credits completely separately. If one of the three persists, it will still be shown as performer for all tracks. This might be remnant of previous identification process, or tags assigned to the files, which roon tends not to forget in certain cases.