Need advice please with HEGEL

Firstly thanks for all the advice.

I did think a Preamp would be a strange decision but you never know!?

I will take a look at the Matrix devices later.

I mainly run SGC SonicTransporter 5 for the Roon core & then usb into the Hegel. Just thought the XLR may give a better audio signature, just different I guess, not better?

I have everything faith Anders & Co will get Roon implemented at some point.

Not a recommendation. Just a theoretical viewpoint:

Unless Hegel disagrees with this, I guess one might use the Home Theater (HT Bypass) feature of an integrated amp together with another preamp, especially a tube pre, to get a different flavor (not necessarily a SQ improvement). The preamp should not have an output impedance that is too high, which might lead to impedance mismatch that will be bad.

For those who use a Lumin T2 with the Hegel, you may also try using the Lumin Leedh Processing Volume, turn down the Lumin volume to a very low level, then set the Hegel to Home Theatre bypass. This will be a comparison between two different volume control implementations. If you happen to like the T2 volume more, it also has an added advantage of having the volume controllable in Roon.

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@Rockhound
I want to go toward to your setup, presently i have a h390, node 2i and contour 30. My room is 13X20 treated partially with acoustic panels. I already have a separation with fiber between my rooter modem and my sound room on a dedicated breaker.
Because UPNP is not gapless and no DSD with the node, i want a another streamer
I am between Lumin U1 mini using the better DAC than H190 with full MQA with the Hegel or the Lumin T2 XLR. This just how much i can improve with Lumin T2 versus the U1. Itā€™s almost 2.5 time more expensive. I don"t care much for Roon because i am used to Audirvana and the SQ is very good if not better to my taste. I read a lot about the OpticalRendu but i am not convinced that it will perform better than a Lumin U1 mini. Thanks to share your opinion.

Hi @Mario_G, welcome to the forums!

My advice would be to get the Lumin T2 - the combination of streamer and high quality DAC in a single box is hard to beat even at the not inconsiderable cost of the T2. It is also a rock solid Roon endpoint, and it is beautifully built. Coupled with a H390 and Contour 30s that is going to be a killer setup for sure.

If you get the U1 mini you will still be reliant on the Hegelā€™s DAC, which I do not think is as good as the T2ā€™s - certainly the H190ā€™s DAC is nowhere near as good. As I (and others here) have mentioned before, the real strength of Hegel is their amplification, so might as well take advantage of it! Otherwise youā€™d have to get another DAC to feed from a U1 mini, and youā€™re going to have to spend a lot to get better than a T2.

The T2 was a lot of money (here in Canada almost 50% more than the H190) but I have not regretted buying it for a second.

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Iā€™ve tried U1 Mini with USB (loan) with my H390, it did sound better, more 3D, clearer, blacker, more controlled.
Not a enormous much but noticeable better.
I think the internal DAC is limiting.

Iā€™m waiting for loaning a T2 (XLR) to H390 and see which way to go. :wink:

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Let us know how it goes!

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Lumin T2 or Denafrips Terminator, Vegas, Pontus?

When I got my 390 I plugged it in and turned it on and, ummm, havenā€™t turned it off since. I have turned off the display as a gesture towards energy savings, but the 390 doesnā€™t use much in standby.

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Following this discussion and realised that we wont get roon support any time soonā€¦

I find uconnect very unintuitive and dont think i sounds that wellā€¦

So I decided to go for a new DAC

Would the Qutest or D90 or RME v2 be substantial - noticeable upgrade over the H190 Dac?

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I was proud owner of a Qutest and it was a huge improvement over the dac in my ml585 which was a huge improvement over the dac in my Hegel soā€¦

I have a D90 (non MQA) and it is certainly an improvement over most amplifiers with built in DACs I know (including the H190).

thank you for your advice.

I think i will go with the qutest, i want a warmer sounding DAC than that of the Hegelā€¦ I dont think the roon update for the hegel will be released any time soonā€¦

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To be honest: I have the hegel h390 with audiovector r1 arrete. Which would make up for a very natural and powerful sound. But also alot of warmth. I think the dac in the H390 is really something else and I actually compared it in my room with a rme adi 2fs dac and a chord qutest.

In short: the adi sounded exactly the same, only the H390 dac was more spacious and dynamic, where the rme was more focused. I returned the rme because the sound from the h390 was more expansive and ā€œliveā€.

The qutest had the same illusion of space and was quite ballsy, however the h390 itself is already good with dynamics and has a powerfull attitude. The H390, compared to the qutest had more nuances and detail.

Hope this helps, I see alot of comparisons of these dacs with the H190, which is a total different animal. So my advice: better spend your money elsewehere or swap the h390 for a h190 with a different dac :slight_smile:

Iā€™ve been the first to complain about Hegelā€™s software development in this thread (ROON READINESS, WHERE THE F ARE YOU?) but I have never had any issues with Spotify Connect. Itā€™s been rock solid for me.

For all my audio gear that support Spotify Connect only Hegel gives me some trouble - sometimes it is simply vanishing from the Spotify app and a hard reboot is neededā€¦

Moderators have removed some posts which were off topic and personal. Please keep to the topic of the thread.

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Iā€™m thiiiiiiis close to buying a Lumin U1 mini to solve this ridiculous problem - does anyone know if the H390 inputs are auto switching? As in, if Iā€™m on a different input and stop playback but start playback via the Lumin, would the Hegel detect this and automatically switch to the correct input? And if the unit was off, and I commenced playing something on the Lumin, would that signal trigger the H390 to automatically switch on?

@Andrew_Dean1 Iā€™ve no idea if it does this, as I only have a Lumin T2 so never need to switch anything. TBH I would get a T2 as the DAC in that is better than what the (various) Hegel DAC(s) does. I mean, after all it costs a little bit less than a H390 :man_shrugging:. You will not be disappointed.

I donā€™t doubt that, although one of the reasons I went for the H390 over the H190 was for the improved DAC, so it would seem a waste to ignore that and pay for a a whole new DAC. To be fair, Iā€™ve never felt that the DAC in the H390 is lacking

Fair enough Andrew. Personally I donā€™t see it as a waste, as the major strength of Hegel for me is the amplification. Iā€™m sure the DAC in the H390 is better than the H190 for all sorts of reasons. I seriously doubt it is better than the T2.

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