New (was back in 2021) iFi Zen Stream device

Hi @Michael_Harris I’ve been looking at your previous post about setting the ZS for DSD on Roon. I was wondering if anyone has been able to reach DSD 256 on Mac OS, as I read in previous posts here it keeps moving to DoP to 128k when trying to save to Native DSD.

ifi-streamer-loop

One good feature I’ve seen is that the settings stay enabled after I switch on and off the DAC, while keeping ZS on, unlike HQPlayer, you need to turn off the ZS first and then the DAC to keep settings connected.

For ZS I created a cooling fan supported on a metallic iPhone stand, it really makes a temperature difference.

Here are my settings and DAC (as mentioned before here):


Notice: I’ve tried to fix this on HQPlayer but got also the same outcome, so I was wondering if Roon and ZS directly could reach 256, again I’m just a newbie here! :sweat_smile: Is there Markerless DSD playback in Roon to reach 256?

Thanks for your help!

2 Likes

DSD256 is not possible via DoP on the ZEN Stream. If you are lucky enough to have a DAC for which native DSD is supported on the ZEN Stream, you can play DSD256. The iFi NEO iDSD works well, for example. IIRC, Topping E50 does native DSD too.

2 Likes

So meaning that best option is connect my Mac Mini directly to DAC right? And test it

Well, macOS is DoP as well, so going direct may not help unless your Mac sees the DAC as capable of 768 kHz.

But it really depends on what you hope to achieve and your priorities. Many DACs will sound better connected to the ZEN Stream than to a general purpose computer, at least in a Roon system.

If your DAC sounds the same regardless of transport, then by all means go direct. Same if DSD256 is more important than sound quality.

1 Like

Many thanks @David_Snyder this was out of curiosity to try all features. I’m actually satisfied with the setup and sound. And also to realize that you can also enable DoP 128k in Roon, I thought this was only able on to do in HQP :joy:. Again just beginner here.

Recently I listen to Esoteric DAC that does 512k:


actually it was ‘close’ to what I have at 128k ! So I’m quite happy too for Roon and @jussi_laako HQPlayer that make Hifi affordable and superior

2 Likes

Yes all DSD seems to be a set of great sounding but diminishing improvements (at least in all my setup’s).

The Zen DACS do DSD up to 256 , but I have put mine back to DSD128 as I cannot perceive any real improvement in sound quality and that damned red LED was distracting.

My MA Mini I Pro 3 does DSD128 through Roon (which really sounds great), but will do DSD512 through USB, so every now and then I try Roon and HQP output on a Pi at DSD512 just because :flushed:

1 Like

Thanks for sharing @Michael_Harris, I have got a pending project to get a Pi and test my DAC-60 potential to DSD256 with HQP, for that, I’m also considering this

are you familiar with this product?

1 Like

I have the audioquest version (Jitterbug) which is simpler and just improves noisy USB. I was using that and an expensive audioquest Cinnamon cable and I felt it sounded better (running directly out of my Nuc).

I then did the same with a Pi, but not a patch on with Mini I Pro 3 or Zen Stream in sound quality. The Stream has those built-in which is why it sounds so good.

Still I always keep a Pi around for testing thing’s,

1 Like

Esoteric is just outstanding - jealous about that combo :open_mouth:

1 Like

Got to be honest, compared a regular CD (not sacd) on the Esoteric CD player, sound was better than a reproduction on their 512 DAC :rofl:

1 Like

Well I have just purchased my first ever SACD player, so that must prove that the technology is dead :scream:
Looking forward to popping a cd or two into the tray after not having one for about 18 years

3 Likes

Can you remember how to do it or should we send some detailed instructions :blush:

3 Likes

I have a friend who knows YouTube so I will ask him
Was delivered to the office yesterday and the boys have said that it looks in excellent condition and the packaging was good.

Been following the thread for Vinyl and boy does reading that put me off :scream_cat:… Cleaning… I will have to ask my wife :astonished:

2 Likes

Is everyone leaving the Stream powered on 24/7?
I was thinking of leaving my Stream and DAC on 24/7 then I should only have to flick the Amp on.

I don’t, with energy costs as high as they are, I turn mine off now when not in use (and I remember).
Takes about 30-40 seconds to be ready to go. The Zen DAC kicks in as well when it sees the Stream is active so that works well for me. It would depend on the pain of getting anything working if I was using it with a different amp.

1 Like

Hello,
I have a problem that I cannot figure out. The moment that I switch from AiO to Roon-only mode, the streamer switches to SPDIF, and I can’t find the setting to force USB (The Streamer GUI is disabled in Roon mode)

Update: the “roon only” GUI is accessible on port 3100. Add “:3100” after your IP. It works over USB with the Bifrost 2. My iFi Zen stream is running version 2.31.8.

1 Like

Hi Christian have a scroll back and you will find the answer to your question
For some reason Ifi decided to make spdif the default output in Room Only mode

I would send you a link but I am on holiday and have limited bandwidth.

Proper explanation above, simple one is go into settings find the Stream and click on Device Info text, that will pop up a web page where you can change it to usb.

I have no idea why they thought this was discoverable or a good idea.

2 Likes

There are no vacations for the Zen Master…

2 Likes

That’s because I am still waiting for the iFi money truck to bring me the money :moneybag::moneybag::moneybag:

:flushed::rofl:

4 Likes

This happened to me as well, with it constantly switching back to DOP over PCM when I tried to set it to Direct. It’s a bug in the firmware that occurs when the device is in AIO mode and the ZS is disconnected from the DAC while both are still powered on. It has nothing whatsoever to do with DSD 256 being possible with DOP over PCM (it isn’t possible, but that’s not the issue here).

The only way to resolve it is to reset the ZS to factory default settings, which will revert back to the launch firmware. Connect your DAC back to the ZS with the ZS powered off, then power up the ZS and proceed through the setup steps. If you’re using Ethernet, once it’s set up turn off the hot spot and Wi-Fi radios, it improves performance. Then download the latest firmware, and once the setup is complete you should be able to set the DSD settings to “direct” and it’ll stay there. Just make sure in the future that if you ever need to disconnect your DAC from the ZS, ensure the ZS is powered off first.

As an aside, once set up, go to iFi.local/dev, enable beta updates, then go back to iFi.local and check for system updates again. Let it install 2.31.8. It’s been out for over two and a half months and it’s rock solid stable, promise.

Finally, if you simply jettison the AIO mode altogether and switch to Roon Only mode, you won’t have to worry about the DSD, volume or input settings anymore, period. You can switch between S/PDIF and USB modes, DSD modes, and volume settings right in Roon, by clicking the link to “configure device” under the Audio settings, and they will remain stable whether you disconnect the DAC or not—in Roon Only mode Roon totally takes over the ZS hardware settings like it does for any Roon Ready device. That’s what “Roon Ready” is all about—Roon is built into the architecture of the streamer.

Finally, if you are using Roon, there is absolutely no point or benefit of using AIO mode, period, full stop. In Roon Only mode you can use S/PDIF if you like or USB—and there is absolutely, positively no difference in jitter either way. Modern DACs with USB connections have no more jitter than the S/PDIF port; any arguments to the contrary are based on antiquated data before DACs had buffers to correct timing errors. Any talk of “full galvanic isolation” with S/PDIF is obsolete science—this is a digital signal, not an analog one, and the audio you hear out of USB is the best you can get.

The reason for this is not only because you can enjoy exponentially more bandwidth to allow for sampling rates up to 384 PCM and DSD 256, but because with asynchronous USB the DAC’s clock becomes primary—and along with that clock you get hardware buffers that correct any concerns for timing errors. You also get bidirectional handshaking and better integration between both devices.

Michael, I appreciate you asking about me! I have a new job that has me fairly crazed most of the time, which is the primary excuse. But honestly after the latest firmware release my ZS in Roon mode is so flawlessly stable that I thought there wouldn’t be a need for folks to troubleshoot this thing anymore—we left detailed setup instructions long ago and they work. From what I can see the troubles folks are still having are the result of them trying to employ the device in ways that are not recommended, based on illusory beliefs that these alternative configurations sound “better”. And I don’t know how to help folks who reject science for cognitive bias :wink:

4 Likes