I am a little surprised that Roon has such a limited number of streaming services that integrate with the software. Sure, I get that there are numerous software stumbling blocks on the streaming service side, but there are so many, including HiResAudio that I would think really should be supported. To have KKBox, which seems to be rather un-audiophile in comparison. Are there plans or known goings-on that might shed light on future service inclusions? I did try to find info within the forums but only came up old posts. (I seem to be very bad at forum searches)
Roon Labs practically never discusses plans.
highresaudio.com is not a streaming service. Itâs a store.
What streaming services are you thinking of that have a significant amount of music that isnât covered by Tidal or Qobuz? Iâm not talking about âhi-res audioâ, Iâm talking about the music itself.
If you can think of some, how many users do they have? Integrating streaming services is expensive and difficult. It might not be worth it to serve the even-smaller number of users at the cross-section of Roon and X Niche Streaming.
Well @andrew_webb⌠this would indicate otherwise. And even if your comment was accurate, there are many other streaming services as you know. These would all contain potential Roon Customers. Maybe not millions, but certainly âmoreâ. Is that not how business works? Create a product, market to known potential customer base, improve⌠yadda yadda yaddaâŚ
Whoops, sorry about that. I should have checked before I posted. The rest of my point stands. Profit vs work is still a real factor, as is participation by the streaming service.
Letâs scale it down and see why it doesnât make sense to integrate niche services:
Tidal has 110 songs and 50 users
Qobuz has 100 songs and 30 users
NicheSongs has 12 songs and 3 users
If it costs 10 to integrate a service, is that worth 3 more users? No.
Are you even going to gain all three? No.
Thatâs why.
Good point. Except âNicheSongsâ isnt Spotify, Apple Music, Prime, Nugs, Idagio, Audible or even any podcast service. True, with your example of the fictitious âNicheSongsâ the scale doesnât justify the implementation cost, but Iâm pretty sure that, opening the gates to tiny niche players who may or may not fit the Roon demographic likely isnât what the OP was thinking of.
Personally, Iâm all in on Qobuz, but it would be nice if Roon at least opened itself to other audio media. And I know that isnât the business model, but, well, times do change, and as the old saying goes, what doesnât bend breaks.
Roon has already said that Spotify, Amazon and Apple Music will not play ball.
Nugs is teeny. I didnât know Idagio existed, but yes, they are pretty big, so thereâs one for you.
Adding a streaming service to Roon is not just âflipping a switchâ: it requires a stable, documented API from the service, legal/commercial agreements, and ongoing maintenance, because API changes on the service side can break Roon.
Its beyond that even , If I understand correctly the Tidal/Qobuz/KKBox integrations required Roon to virtually keep a copy of the appropriate library in their cloud and to keep that actively syncâed
The big boys (Apple, Google, Amazon even Spotify) wonât even discuss it , Roon, we are told, have repeatedly tried and got nowhere
The API approach is , as far as I know, available but thatâs not how Roon performs itâs magic. The big boys want to keep their customers tied to their environment,software, hardware etc and want to mine the data that it produces without a third party. You can see the third party apps that apply the API route (eg Naim, CA StreamMagic) they are primitive by comparison to Roon.
The API route is simply âNot Roonâ
Can you really see Apple providing a music streaming service if it didnât promote hardware sales ?
So much so itâs almost give away. The cost of Apple Music is driving the âcost of streamingâ down and making Tidal et al even more vulnerable.
Youâre likely right. I honestly donât know. But I am also a Sonos user and my Sonos patronage, for which I do not pay an annual subscription fee, gets me access to everything under the sun, or so it seems. I have zero knowledge of the economics of it. But I buy a sound bar from Sonos and I can use any service that I choose to pay that third party for. Iâm not sure how that is different from Roon.
I just bought a Nucleus One for around $550 all in. I pay Qobuz for my Qobuz subscription. Same as Sonos. I can access it on Sonos and Roon. If I am willing to pay Apple for Apple Music (which I wonât do but thatâs an unrelated issue) I can get that on Sonos, but not Roon. Same with Spotify, Nugs, Audible, etc etc.
And Roon charges a subscription fee, which Sonos does not.
So I am trying to find the commercial logic in why these apparently similar business models are so vastly different in the services offered.
And you may have noticed that Sonos can do much less than Roon with the streaming service content.
Guys, this has been discussed a thousand times. Use the forum search.
Very, Roon has the integration that no other player (that I Know of ) has, the ability to mix Local, Tidal and Qobuz in one cohesive library is unique. Most 3rd party apps require a change to an embedded applet to run each service via the appropriate API
Not quite unique, really, since i.e. LMS does it as well, without charging for a subscription.
With the amount of money that I did throw at equipment, LPs , CDs and digital purchases that roon lifetime subscription is peanuts. I donât even think about the money anymore after all these years
good quality is not for free.
Completely unsupported and without any guarantees.
Better supported than Roon, Iâd say from my experience, and which guarantee are you talking about?
Nothing wrong with repeated conversation. It will happen again and again with new people each time. Better this than cricketsâŚIMHO
Besides, forum search is often futile, if you donât know the exact verbage.
Itâs just that every time there will be fewer and more incomplete answers as everything that can be said was said already many times.
If I can find things, others can. In this case, ânew streaming serviceâ and sorting results by relevance gives more than enough material to click through.
Agreed. Repeated convo is merely evidence of the continued vitality of the subject. Prior convos arenât evidence that the question is settled.
Meaning of life? Existence of God(s)? Unsettled, but humans will never stop jibber jabbering about them. Though admittedly this topic doesnât rise to quite the same level of profundity.
But, ISTR that Plato and Kant posted on those topics on some forum somewhere. Canât place it. Probably on The Well.
If you want to be heard by Roon, though, posting a user discussion in Roon Software Discussion wonât do it. Search for a relevant topic in Feedback > Feature Suggestions and vote for it, or at least post in Feedback.
Edit. Or much better, do as @Mark_Boulter writes below.
This is not an Roon issue, its a streaming services issue. All the big streaming services want you to use their app and stay in their app. They donât want you straying out of their ecosystem, and they want the cost of switching to another service to be high and painful. They definitely donât want someone else sitting between them and their customers, and they donât want their customers using a third party app that makes it easy to use a different service or local media - they only make money when you stream from them, and their market value is based on the number of active subscribers they have.
There is absolutely no way they are ever going to integrate with Roon, unless they start bleeding customers to services that do support Roon which is unlikely to happen because (as much as I love Roon) its a niche product for a niche customer set.
The reason Qobuz and Tidal integrated with Roon is that it gave them a way to add value over the bigger streaming services - they could use Roon integration to attract customers who might otherwise go to those bigger streaming services.
The only services that are going to integrate with Roon are the ones in the same boat as Qobuz and Tidal - trying to find differentiators to the big services - and are being told by their customers that the lack of Roon integration is an issue.
If you have a streaming service that you want to integrate with Roon, go bug that streaming service. Up voting a Roon feedback issue will make no difference.
