Qobuz account hacked

Never mind. I thought you meant Roon store albums on our local system. I see now you must mean for Roon to store albums on their server. At least, maybe that’s what you are suggesting, IDK.

I didn’t suggest to download music files from Qobuz or Tidal. Besides, tell us how streaming is different from downloading. Downloads go to a buffer than are saved to you media, streamed content goes to a buffer but never makes to the hard drive. The first step is the same. There are programs that allow to save streamed content. One can write such an app.

Never mind. I didn’t totally understand what you were suggesting.

You would rather Roon didn’t just store metadata irrespective of which copy of an album you have ?

There is no disadvantage (that i am aware of) to Roon storing the information it already captures at an album level rather than a specific copy level.

‘Roon stores indexing information for your local library but your music files are stored on your local storage separately from Roon. The same could be done for Qobuz and Tidal - Roon can store indexing information but the media can be stored remotely by Qobuz and Tidal.’

This is what I understand occurs now. What part do you think isn’t?

When you add a Tidal or Qobuz album to your library, Roon is storing the metadata for that album in your Roon database. Currently, a connection between this metadata and Qobuz has gone astray and likely needs to be rebuilt to reconnect the object in the local db to the stored location in Qobuz ‘cloud’.

No. I don’t have Qobuz but if you have Tidal your library is stored in Tidal, not Roon. If you go to Tidal bypassing Roon and delete an album or all of them from your Favorites or whatever it’s called in Tidal, I forget, when you return to Roon they will be gone from your library in Roon. Once I had to switch accounts in Tidal and there was no way to transfer my library neither in Roon nor in Tidal. I had to recreate everything. Roon relies on Tidal for storing your library. The same is true for Qobuz, otherwise the OP situation wouldn’t have happened.

P.S. Here is my post about that and see Support’s reply: Changing TIDAL account; any tips? - #5 by G_P

Yeah, unfortunately I don’t see a technical way around it working this way. Nor would I expect that Tidal and/or Qobuz would agree to it if one was crafted. They reserve this right for their own use, not 3rd parties integrating with their solutions.

In the future, check out Soundiiz.com yep another service hosted only in the cloud to transfer from one music platform to another and avoid the pain of recreation.

Good luck to you

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Not really, it just synchronises the albums from your tidal favourites. When you add one in tidal the next time Roon syncs it will add that to your Roon library, when you remove a favourite from tidal the next time Roon syncs it will be removed from Roon. Just as it does when you add or remove an audio file on local storage. The only real difference is the source location of the track.

You can prove this by removing a favourite from tidal (using the tidal app), then go see it remains in Roon until the next time it syncs with tidal.

The Roon library is a database that resides on your local Roon server machine.

The Tidal and Qobuz music files don’t belong to Roon or us. They belong to Tidal and Qobuz. We are merely paying a fee via Roon to listen to them. Our Roon library, other than your own music files, is simply a database of “links” to the Tidal and Qobuz music files. Roon does push out to our Roon database, metadata that syncs with our music, local and streamed.

You described exactly what I meant. Once you open Roon and go to your library it immediately synchronizes it with Tidal. You can’t remove a favorite in Tidal but keep it in Roon library. The track is still there, in Tidal, but the reference to it is gone. Because of this you can’t switch Tidal accounts without losing your library in Roon. And that’s what I meant by “Roon relies on Tidal for storing your library”.

It’s probably just semantics at this point, but Roon doesn’t use any storage on tidal/Qobuz.

There are several apps you can use to sync your music links from one provider to another. TuneMyMusic is the one I use and it is free. I copy my Qobuz album links to Apple Music. In Roon, I also make sure I add a new album link to both Qobuz and Tidal if it is available on both. I rarely add album links directly to Tidal or Qobuz unless Roon cannot find them for some reason.

Doing that doesn’t carry over your meta data sadly. Examples include favourite tracks, genres, ratings etc.

While you can sync albums across services / accounts, Roon sees every copy and every account differently. Ideally, Roon would use its database to identify copies underneath the album. If you delete a copy, switch service or buy a copy for yourself, all your metadata applies, play history rolls up etc.

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Roon provides all the metadata for every new album I add for both Tidal and Qobuz. I only use albums, not tracks or playlist, etc. and I don’t add my own metadata alterations, etc. I also don’t have any music files of my own, so Roon works perfectly for me. I guess it would be impossible to meet the wishes and desires of everyone.

Anyway, I’m still not sure the person who posted earlier understands that the music belongs to Tidal and Qobuz and resides on their servers.

I have to admit to having relatively simple Roon and Qobuz passwords, thinking that not much harm could be done if hacked. I think I’ll change both tomorrow when I’ve no drink in me.

A slight aside what do you think of password managers, I’ve always avoided them as I thought it just takes one hack to have everything with them.

Having said that Mozilla has all my passwords stored, but I do have a super strong Mozilla password and 2FA on everything that has it.

.sjb

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And that’s the problem. Many apps to transfer favorite from one service to another but no way to transfer from one Tidal account to another Tidal account. Besides, I would expect Roon to remember my “favorites”, what I like regardless where the content is located. Maybe view it as bookmarks in your browser. If you change your internet provider your bookmarks will still work.

Of course, that person understands this. It’s obvious. Nobody is suggesting to steal that from them. But he doesn’t understand how it is relevant here. As I wrote above maybe it’s a good way to view Roon’s library as bookmarks in your browser. If you change your internet provider your bookmarks will still work.

sjb Yes, if you use Mozilla’s offering you are essentially using a type of password manager already, so if your initial password is super-strong then that is a good place to be, plus, as you say using 2FA when ever you can.

The beauty of ‘most’ password managers (and they do differ) is that you can have the option of never having your passwords or, most importantly, the master password synced to any server (i.e. one outside your pc/device/house whatever). By that I mean you can opt to keep your master password and all your sub passwords on a thumb drive that you can take where ever you go - plug it into your device and you’re away. If you lose that usb drive then, unless you have also backed it up somewhere, you’re toast.

From the other side, ‘most’ password managers will also allow the choice for you to sync all content to a master server somewhere and store things there. That way you can remotely log onto that server with your app on whatever machine/device without the need to cart a usb device around with you. This opens up the possibility of ‘someone’ one day cracking that server - but again, they have to first get past that super -duper-strong Master Password anyway…choices, choices…

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Roon stores links to music files located on Tidal. When you delete your old Tidal account, those links are broken. They no longer link to anything. There is nothing for Roon to remember. When I closed my old Tidal account and opened a new one I had all the same albums linked in Roon to Qobuz. There were only about 1000 albums, so I just manually clicked on each album in Roon, then clicked Versions and added a link to the Tidal version in Roon. That was before I was using TuneMyMusic. I should have just purchased Soundiiz for a month, but it only took me a couple hours.

Alcohol generated passwords are the best! They can only be hacked by drunk hackers, and only if they had the same beverage!

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