Qobuz non-US users: Is volume normalization data better in your catalog?

#1

It’s driving me crazy with both Qobuz and Tidal in Roon not having good loudness data in the Qobuz US catalog. I can listen to anything Tidal with -16LUFS set in Roon to match the official recommendations (and to match iTunes SoundCheck since I switch to that sometimes), and loudness is pretty consistent through any tracks I play. Then Qobuz tracks come on. Most of the catalog seems to have no loudness data, so Roon’s picking the -5db default. I can bump that down but that would be counter-productive for classical use. But then a lot of stuff that is tagged seems tagged incorrectly, where something only drops -0.5db and is clearly way louder than the same track on Tidal.

Are things better with the EU/UK catalog, or is that just how Qobuz does things?

(Ged) #2

I believe Roon are still working to get Qobuz to tag their streams as they don’t do it in any territory.

#3

Ahh, so it’s the same. That’s weird, I’d have thought that Qobuz being all about SQ above all else would have had that part built into their own player ages ago! Bit-perfect would have been a beautiful pipe dream had the loudness wars never happened. At least it sounds like Roon is prodding them to work on it…though they don’t seem terribly cooperative. Thanks!

#4

No it’s rubbish in the UK. Qobuz is all over the place

#5

I was amazed they messed up their US launch so badly, but it sounds like they don’t really have their act together in the UK, either, after years…that’s not very inspiring. …Maybe it’s better in France?

#6

An interesting document but a little old on the different streaming services

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwibs7Om9KHiAhXaAmMBHcJBAK8QFjACegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tonmeister.de%2Ftmt%2F2016%2Ftmt_dl.php%3Ftmtid%3D2016%26lang%3Dde%26pid%3D201%26v%3Dpdf&usg=AOvVaw11-X2x9GXlEnQJe-6dUX5U

#7

That’s a really interesting and informative document! I didn’t know Tidal was replacing the infamous watermarked recordings. The catalogs and sound quality line up kind of where I expected, with some disagreement or surprises.

One thing out of date is Deezer has normalization now, though it also applies compression like Spotify either used to do or still does on the settings above “quiet”. Ugh.

I still don’t get Qobuz though. They’re all about music. They’re all about sound quality. And it never occurred to them to implement normalization?! I can understand their limited library. IT’s a competitive space and there’s no room for newcomers. They can’t afford the labels demands. Ok, fine, they can differentiate themselves some other way. But not including basic normalization is just plain asleep at the switch.