That is precisely what I am talking about. If something is an appliance, it is applied technology beneath, and I don’t have to think about it. For example, I have installed a hardware firewall on the Internet link. I don’t want even to think about it. I paid for an appliance and not for the computer that takes care of my network protection.
Other experience. I run ROCK on a NUC 11 i7 with out any problems in a fanless cage. No reboot required.
Yes, I run Rock on a NUC13i5 and must admit it’s as good as maintenance free. Though, in the beginning, it took me a little while to get the tags all straight with my legacy rips. If you have local files, some initial effort may be required.
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I’ve tagged my local collection with JRiver. Later on I’ve discovered quite a few albums missing album art, so I’ve added those with Audirvana. Now my collection is pretty much fully tagged. 
The seller is clueless and doesn’t offer such an option. I’ll get a barebone and add the RAM myself. From the specs and photos I’m nearly certain, but could you verify what you have inside? Does the 7730u motherboard accept DDR4 SoDIMM 260 pins at 3200 MHz (2x16GB)?
They pretend to be picky about “original” brand but I doubt they use Samsung or Hynix. I think Crucial will do fine.
The Nucleus, I assume is a product line that Roon will continue to find a significant benefit to their brand and software product. Owning the image that lives on that box, which is ROCK, is part of that ecosystem so ROCK will be maintained.
Does it make sense for Roon to continue certifying other machines? No. They are working on international Nucleus availability. They want you to buy a Nucleus.
Will ROCK still work on a lot of hardware? Yes. I’m not worried about that.
I went through “Topton Computer Store” on Aliexpress. They’re excellent. That said if you wish to go barebones fair enough. When I had mine open it looked like regular old low voltage notebook RAM. It is DDR. Beyond that I can’t say as I didn’t look at it as it’s pre installed.
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I have over 100k tracks and ROCK runs fine on my NUC7i7DNKE based NUC. Same NUC board as the Rev B Nucleus+
Any issues at the 100k region, could required additional memory over 8MB.
There have been reports of issues with large libraries, but that is the region of 500k to 1M tracks. Here regular desktop CPU processing is required.
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I would not like to be in your place.
I prefer a physical format.
Now, read out loud what you just wrote. We live in a world where Excel sheets are built to have 17.200.000.000 cells (with enough memory), and I have a device in my pocket that can take me to any place I want to go, turn by turn, and so on.
And you have the excuse for the person who built that database, which cannot handle 100k records but needs 8GB of memory more?
Get real. 100k records database in today’s world is not even considered for testing.
Fortunately, I don’t have any music in digital format stored on Roon, but on CDs. Roon is just for the convenience of using Qobuz.
To be fair, 100k tracks does not equate to 100k records in Roon’s database. It’s not SQL-based. It holds information on all the metadata and the linking between them. The crosslinking seems to drive the size of the resulting database up in something approaching exponential growth - it’s certainly not linear. In RoonOS. when Roon Server is running, the database is held entirely in memory, there’s no paging, so no disk activity is involved.
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I am aware of that. However, 100k of anything these days is a joke.
Isn’t that the same on any system not using swap? On my Dietpi Roon uses more Ram than the basic nucleus does and I am only at 34751 tracks.
Yes, but the Topic is ROCK’s future, hence the mention of RoonOS.
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Yes, not aware of the database structure or how the data is maintained during operation - in-memory, page swapped, up-look, pre-fetch etc., as a closed system and had no part in its development, just an early adoptor.
I ran ROCK on a NUC5i3MYBE with 8GB and a 240GB SATA disk for a long time, without any issue and it was able to serve multi-zone, upconvert formats, use DSP including convolution filters. I only changed as a NUC7i7DNYE became available and I built it with 16GB (2x8GB) DRAM and a 250GB NVMe SSD, and it has operated without a single issue for the last couple of years.
The memory limitation was only an observation on some users with particularly large libraries and upgrade Nucleus units from 8GB and using a faster NVMe SSD solves any issue.
For any ROCK build now I would recommend 16GB in a 2x8GB pair, which are now fairly inexpensive.
Simon,
I am not talking about configuration. I am talking about architecture. Do you think someone who managed even to develop such a thing can do other things?
Previously, my posts were deleted because of showed obvious bugs (for example, one with Chromecast displays) and solutions for them.
Fortunately, Roon is sold to Harman.
And yes, my Roon is doing well; it has been up and running for years now.
My point of view:
It is worth remembering that originally, Roon was designed as a streaming software for its music library. CDs are inconvenient as they require frequent changing and do not allow the creation of playlists. Many people want to listen to specific CD releases from a given year as they are mastered differently. Not ones that Tidal or any other streaming service offers by chance. Also, some albums or some tracks are missing in such services. Here are some quick examples: 2 Fast 2 Furious soundtrack in Tidal misses two tracks. Mi Mundo album by Marta Sánchez was missing entirely for a long time. Also, some music can disappear from streaming services at any time due to legal reasons. Thus, many good reasons exist to RIP and stream your CDs from the local library.
This is what Roon was always about - streaming own music library. Tidal or Quobuz integration is a nice addition but not the main feature. Or at least this is what it used to be. ARC is a nice addition to stream own music when away from home. Roon sadly drifts away from it, requiring a constant Internet connection, blocking enabling uncertified devices, and so on. This puts me off from Roon more and more, making me search for alternatives. It was an easy-to-use software. It has become a full-blown enterprise, complicating life and limiting users’ freedom. I am not sure if it good Harman bought it. They also bought Arcam, yet they failed to release Roon Ready gear despite a quarter delay (ST 25 streamer).
Regarding the Nucleus, it is good there is such an option. However, at its price, the offered hardware is weak, and I find not listing it on the specs page to be more about being unfair towards the customer rather than caring about convenience. I am a tech guy and want to know more about it. If someone is not, skipping three lines of additional info is not an issue. When I buy a car, I want to know its power, engine type, transmission type, whether it is 2WD/4WD, etc. When I buy a computer, I want to know it’s hardware. It’s as simple as that. The Nucleus is not a watch or some other gadget. It is a streaming PC, and its computing power matters the most. It is good to be informed that it can handle xyz tracks and albums, but skipping what hardware is used is highly unfair. Taught by old experiences with Nucleus+, I worry if any Nucleus can be a competitive offer. Selling a NUC in a fancy case for triple its price does not sound right. Blocking options like ROCK or simply installing Core on own machine would be the final nail in Roon’s coffin, in my case.
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Odd, I have raised multiple bugs, with the use case and how to reproduce the issue, which were taken forward as Tickets to be resolved.
I also have multiple items in the Feature Request section, with user’s votes against them.
How did you report the issues and make feature suggestions?
You should consider normal records. Get of your butt after 20 minutes 
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Timely thread, my 8i5 based Rock server has been shutting itself off pretty consistently over the past few days. I would guess the fan is failing. It has run continuously for just short of 5 years so I guess I should not be surprised.
I guess I will go for an Asus Nuc equivalent as a replacement.
Or, just clean out your fan because it sounds like you are overheating. or if needed get a new fan for 15 bucks and spend a small bit of time replacing it.
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