Roon branded streamer?

Hope this is in the right category.

What would everyone’s thoughts be on a Roon manufactured/badged Endpoint/Streamer?

As they have done with Intel, on the Nucleus collaboration.

I reckon something that is £500/$650 would sell really well in most countries. May be wrong, but interesting to see what you guys think.

The varying amounts Roonies spend on Endpoints is pretty immense and this would sit in Node 2i territory, which I guess is the bottom of ‘mid-range’?

Possibly something transport only…

I doubt that it would make commercial sense for a whole lot of reasons. Notably, there are already many options available to the market at just about every price point, but also Roon has a certification programme for such devices.

Hi @Martin_Webster

I hear you & it’s a very valid, strong point - which I mostly agree with.

I guess the other side is to look at the Nucleus. How many people opt for it because it’s Roon branded? People like to buy the OEM variant in many cases.

Side tracking slightly, but take Apple’s MFi program for example. How many people still buy the easy, official option?

I think you might be over-estimating what that means. I don’t believe it’s at the depth of the Wintel collaboration, for example.

Witness the changes that needed to be made for Roon’s Ethernet connection under the G10 NUCs.

The Nucleus white paper is a little ambiguous about the Intel involvement .

I believe that this has been asked and Roon so far as I remember they said they are not interested. If you search the forums, you should be able to find the previous threads.

Well, without 'em having to go through the worry of fabbing, there might be a space for an enclosure that’d use Nucleus design language, could be made locally, and could be used to house a selection of the more popular SBC’s. Think “more visually appealing” Metrum-or-Allo or whatever.

Given that there are those manufacturers already, I am surprised none of them have gone this route already. All the current cases are pretty bland and featureless.

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They’re also extraordinarily cheap. It’d likely take a bit of consumer education to get customers to understand a tiering where you have a $100 SBC, $105 SBC + ugly case, $350 SBC + nice case, and $1500 retail option, all with the same guts, so I can see where it’d make sense to focus on either side of the spectrum, and not bother about the middle.

The Stack Audio Link II seems like it might be a good Roon endpoint, at least if you have a USB DAC.

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A Roon branded streamer wouldn’t be a friendly message to the Roon partners who have worked to make their machines Roon compliant.


I suspect you’re right. On the other hand, Microsoft did it with the introduction of their Surface range - possibly partly to send a wake-up call to the hardware manufacturers to get their act together and produce better products…

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Good point, although Roon is not Microsoft. They don’t have the same bankroll or market leverage.

If I were them I wouldn’t. The world is littered with boutique DACs made by companies who area of expertise was definately not designing and implementing a good DAC - some get the digital side right and fail on the analog side, or get the analog side really good (because they are historically experts in analog audio gear) but fail badly with the digital side and USB noise rejection etc poor firmware/drivers etc.

Ive seen many companies loose badly with DACs in the pro-audio / DJ space because they just didnt have access to the entire skill set and resource to do a good enough job. Granted, now its much easier now with class compliant drivers etc.

Also I may out them in a awkward position with partners. Right now there is no competion between Roon and their partners. Roon focus on core and software, partner focus on audio and digital transport hardware. Add in Roon operating in that space and I can imagine it upsetting the balance, possibly to everyone’s long term detriment Partners will be less inclined to be as open about the internals of their product for competitve fears (Ive seen this in other software/hardware segments, though the company I was working for at the time was and is big enough not to care who they trample on).

I really think the whole ecosystem will remain in a better place if each focus on what they are best at and keep developing good partnering relationships.

if Roon were to step into this space, they would need to do a really good job at the price point for the sake of brand reputation. And in keeping with their brand, it probably wouldnt be a mid range 500ukp or so device - probably 800-1k at least and that would put up against some really good and highly experienced competition.

Maybe they could do a network endpoint DAC driver box - that at least would be a reasonable companion to Roon, but it would still step on some toes. It may also mean them perhaps crossing a line that I dont think they have ever crossed - promoting some idea of better sound quality through subjectively debatable elements in order to position against existing alternatives. If they ignore this aspect then then maybe only a very low price point could be met which again probably wouldnt be worth their while. currently in terms of crossing the line in the subjective world, they leave the options open to the user, document the method but don’t really take a position. With and endpoint they probably have to cross the line.

Roon Ready IMHO should already be enough of a brand statement with streamers in so many price categories already. I can’t see a need for Roon to go in this direction now or in the future.

I would like that the Nucleus implemented SFP+ interface.

Actually is should be promoted by Roon to their partners to comply with the 10GB specifications.

I predict if Intel will make a NUC with SFP+ cage and Optane (if not already supported), that NUC ought to be the ultimate ROCK server.

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Leave the hardware up to those that specialise in it, no need for Roon to do this. They need to focus and making the software much better and not this.

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