Roon Radio not random

Roon Core Machine

PrimeMini4 Core-i7 8650U 8GB

Networking Gear & Setup Details

Silent Angel N8 (x2)

Connected Audio Devices

iFi Stream → USB → Ideon 3R → USB → Lyngdorf MP-40

Number of Tracks in Library

23,729

Description of Issue

If I play an album, Roon radio will play the exact same songs in the same order after the album is finished.

Relatedly, if I transfer a track to another endpoint, and then later continue playing on the first endpoint, the exact same songs will be played on the first endpoint that I already heard on the second endpoint.

It even happens with brand new albums. I copied a new album to the library and listened to it on one endpoint. Later, I listened to the same album on a different endpoint. Again, Roon Radio selected the exact same songs in the exact same order to follow the playback of that new album.

The queue is not on repeat (I checked). The album finishes, Roon radio selects a new track from a different artist, but it is the same tracks from the same artists in the same order every time.

It seem there is no randomness left anymore in Roon radio.

4 Likes

Have you rebooted everything?

I don’t remember, so I rebooted just now. Then I started the playback of the album where I first noticed the issue and could remember the follow-up queue (The Weeknd “Dawn FM“). The issue is still there. However, one of the tracks of the new album that I ripped last was entered into the queue. I only noticed this because it was added rather at the beginning of the queue. But the rest of the queue remains the same.

Do you have loop turned on in the queue? Its next to the shuffle icon upper right.

No. As I already wrote, I checked if it is on repeat (aka loop). It would also be surprising if this was the cause because I have the issue with all of my three endpoints.

I see that now, sorry missed that on the first read.

Who said Roon Radio was random ?

The whole ideas is to check out what you are listening and carry on in the “same vein”. Valence was developed to analyse you current listening and try to match it in style etc

It’s AI driven and needs to be trained , if you skip track do you say why i the dialog that follow ?

No problem!

Why do you think it is AI driven? I can’t find that info on the webpage.

“Roon Radio is an intelligent radio feature that creates a personalized radio station based on the music currently being played. When an album or track ends, Roon Radio automatically analyzes the music and generates a playlist of similar tracks, drawing from your library and streaming services like Tidal, Qobuz and KKBOX.”

In my case, it does not do that. There is no longer an analysis at the end of a track or an album. All follow-up tracks are hard-linked. It was not like this when I started using Roon some years ago.

I created a ticket now. Please move the discussion to the ticket.

https://community.roonlabs.com/t/roon-radio-no-longer-random/247898

1 Like

The Roon Radio web page says “it learns more about what you like and helps you discover new music by curating great recommendations.”

I think it’s, at the very least, a reasonable expectation that the curating process won’t give the same recommendations every time.

2 Likes