I argue that something went wrong indeed in the last build. Before I was able to find songs with the same title. Now I cannot any longer as my example demonstrates.
If you acknowledge that there is an issue with local libraries, why don’t you roll back to the prior solution until you devise a solution that works for all of us?
The previous solution had the same problem. However, before, it was all bad. Now that some parts of it are good, it’s notable in some cases that the order is messed up.
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I have a problem with this statement as it suggests that for the past year or so I did not recognize an existing problem.
Very much possible of course. However, here’s my question: how come that before I was able to put in the search bar a part of a song’s title and being prompted all tracks close to that search string, once I clicked on “see all tracks”? Now, when I click on that option, I see totally unrelated outcomes.
My statement is conflicting with yours. We first need to agree on the facts and the fact is that I remember being able to search for tracks until very recently.
Now I only see 2 options:
- my memory deceives me,
- it’s not true that “the previous solution” had the same problem.
Cheers,
Enrico
One more example below.
Search for: “strange fruit”. iTunes returns exactly what I expect. Roon is merciless. Solution: have Roon return the same as iTunes.
//iTunes
Shows 1 album; shows songs; and then when I ask to see all songs, I see all songs with the named title + all the song from the homonymous album.
//Roon
Random results. 
The more examples I see, the more I see the issue we already know about. For example, when I search for “strange fruit”, and go down to “tracks” (same as iTune’s “songs”), I see about 9 results that are stupid, all from my local library. After the 9 bad results, our results are very similar to what iTunes gave.
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As another data point that is not what I am seeing in my library.
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First I get 6 covers of strange fruit, all from Qobuz. They are in my library but not my local library. They are more contemporary artists like Cassanda Williams and Annie Lennox. I am surprised not to see Billie Holliday or Nina Simone, at or near the top.
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Then I get a random collection of 48 tracks with “strange” in the title like “Baby Strange” from T-Rex (but strangely, none with fruit in the title). As far as I can see, of those, 15 are in my local library. The rest are either Qobuz I haven’t added to my library or Qobuz that I have.
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Then at track 55 I finally get a Billie Holiday performance (my local library) and at track 58 a Nina Simone performance (Qobuz, not in my library). These tracks are in a final group of 37 tracks all of which (or at least most of which) I assume are the expected “strange fruit” but I didn’t check them. As far as I can see only one of this group is in my local library, the rest are Qobuz.
All these counts are by hand as I could see no other obvious way of doing it. So it is possible I have made small errors but the trends should be clear enough.
This morning I was searching for Stephen Cleobury albums in my library. He is a famous Choir Director and Organist in the UK. I couldn’t remember the spelling of his first name, Steven, Stefan, Stephen, Stephan etc. so I just put “Cleobury” in the search.
So Stephen Cleobury’s brother Nicholas comes up, as does his wife Emma. There is a clue, however, in the two “compound” nonsense artists that the “Stephen” I am probably looking for is “Stephen Cleobury” so I put that into the search.
Still no “Stephen Cleobury” in the artists section. But there is yet another clue. In the “Top result” Stephan Cleobury gets an “arranger” credit. It is not uncommon for Choir directors to arrange so maybe roon considers Stephen Cleobury a composer rather than an artist?
So I scroll down to the composer section and there he is:
I click on that and finally get to the list of albums I was looking for:
I have tried to describe as plainly as possible the steps involved in searching for these albums on roon so anyone reading this should be aware that none of the steps were obvious (to me at least) and involved a lot of secondary searching on wiki to try and un-pick what roon is doing so I could get the result I was looking for.
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Your mistake is using the Search box. It is currently a lost cause. I would now click on artists, stick “Cleo” in the filter box, pick Stephen Cleobury, click on Discograohy and then use Focus to narrow down to my own library (or whatever). This, although arguably tedious, should get you what you want. Of course it will only work if you have Stephen Cleobury discs in your library. And possibly may not get discs where he is credited as arranger or composer.
Actually that works if I am searching for Stephen Cleobury albums because I have local ones. However, it does not work if I am looking for Nicholas Cleobury albums because I don’t have local ones.
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Yep, I did say it would only work if Stephen Cleobury discs were in your library, but they were, and they were what you were looking for, so going in via Artist > Discography does the job. For Nicholas Cleobury the Search box is the better bet - I get offered him as the top Artist choice and that’s fine.
And I’ve just tried using the search box for “Cleobury” and am confused too. First off, the search box offers Nicholas Cleobury as an Artist and Stephen Cleobury as a Composer. No Stephen Cleobury as an artist.
But hey, ho!, let’s choose Stephen Cleobury in his Composer persona anyway and get his discography, and see what we get:
Stephen Cleobury wrote the Bach Mathew Passion? Really?! He would no doubt be pleased to have written it, but he didn’t.
Is it a mistake in the metadata? let’s look at the credits …
Nope, he doesn’t get a composer credit, just a conductor credit. Which raises the quite reasonable question of how would you find stuff he composed as opposed to conducted?
Um - use the Compositions tab? (although to be strictly correct, it appears that these are arrangements by him, even if the source metadata claims that he composed them)
I don’t think many would consider Stephen Cleobury a composer. That is reflected in his composition tab where he just gets a credit for a Christmas Carol and a few Organ pieces. He would be considered a much more significant Choir Director and Organist.
It seems if you are determined enough you can find the Stephen Cleobury output you are interested in using quite a variety of search methods. That is the point of my post. When did it become so hard? I would expect to use the magnifying glass to quickly find Stephen Cleobury’s output framed in a straightforward way in each of the sections. For example, I would expect to find his output as an artist in the artist section and his output as a composer in the composition section.
Um … no. The compositions tab only works for recordings in your library. I would want to find compositions by Stephen Cleobury whether they were in my library or not, as I have Qobuz. How do you suggest doing that?
Not for me it doesn’t - it shows compositions period. And for compositions with more than one recording, clicking on a composition will show the recordings available in both my library and subscribed streaming services…
Are you sure you are sure? I have no compositions by Wranitzky in my library, and when I use the compositions tab and filter by Wranitzky I get no results thus:
If I add a cd by Wranitzky, it will then show up.
It does say “My Compositions” rather than “all compositions” so I am confused if you think it includes compositions outside the library.
Out of interest, what results do you get for the Composer Stephen Cleobury? I get none.
I agree - and he appears in my library as an Artist, with a full Artist page and bio. However, the Search algorithm throws up a result with him as a composer (because the source metadata gives him as a composer rather than the arranger of a few compositions). Clicking on that makes Roon display a Composer page with the minimum of information. Edit: actually, the Overview tab does show the full bio; this is not displayed in the Compositions or Discography tabs.
Really, the Search algorithm should show a result classifying him as an Artist and not a Composer.
Cleobury is not like Bernstein, with a foot in both camps…
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Oh I see what you mean by Compositions tab, I was thinking you meant the other compositions tab.
