That’s funny …I use my 2012 MAC Mini, I have installed a 1 TB SSD dedicated to Roon and it works flawlessly!
@Andrew_Webb — one other thing — from your setup description I couldn’t tell whether your Core was connected to the network by Wi-Fi or ethernet cable. If it’s connected by Wi-Fi then I definitely would suggest connecting via ethernet. That did make a difference for me.
EDIT: also, have you tried putting the Roon DB on non-RAID SSD? I think I’ve read other threads with very unstable performance where RAID was involved in the SSD
The only “stability” issue I have is with the remote apps on my android tablet and phone.
Sometimes this is happening: Music is playing and I don’t use the device with the remote app. When I wake up the device from idling and want to use the app, it sometimes can’t recover the connection to the core. I then quit the app and start it again once.
I am pretty sure this is not Roon’s fault, but a result of the aggressive power management by these devices.
My core was on a late 2009 iMac before. Acting as such it was flawless. Never under any stress. What I experience all the time, different Roon versions, different iOS versions, different iPhones is the remote app crashing. Roon would be perfect to me if they finally got this software more robust. Crashing once and never survive more than 20 seconds after this - until a full restart of the mobile - is somehow poor software quality.
I suspect you’re right. I leave my Android remote on all the time and never have an issue outside of Roon updates.
Clearly some people here are having problems, but just wanted to add another positive experience.
My core runs on a 2014 Mac mini, local internal SSDs for DB and music, and wired ethernet to 5 RoPiees with various HATs, and WiFi to a MacBook in my home studio.
Apart from some teething problems when 1.8 was first launched, and rare crashes with the IOS apps, I’ve found it all exceptionally stable.
More so than a previous setup where I would occasionally have drops outs between the Mac mini and a directly connected usb dac (at that point my music was also on a usb ssd which probably didn’t help)
I do use Qobuz, but most of my music is local.
I sometimes use a roon zone via a vpn over the internet, and that occasionally skips tracks, but it works amazingly well given it’s not supported and is running over the public internet.
My Apple TV however was unreliable for several years (would freeze during playing and need a reboot) until I replaced my router last month, since when it’s been 100% stable.
Makes me suspect that many networks have problems that don’t show up in normal computer / internet use.
I’m not knocking these old machines, until only two months ago my setup was a 2012 i7 Mac Mini running Audirvana.
With the change to Roon I’ve opted for a ROCK setup with a newer, more efficient NUC. Having only Roon on a machine rather than a complete OS is fantastic.
Does Linn tell you this when you buy the KDS/3?
If you bought a stereo for your car, and it didn’t work despite the manufacturer telling you that your car was more than capable and fully compatible, how would you respond to the bystander who suggested you get a new car?
This is an oversimplification. Look at this very thread to see why I say that.
Just because you don’t have problems doesn’t mean that the software is not faulty. It only means that in your particular situation/usage/environment/hardware setup, Roon behaves as it should. Roon is developed for several different platforms, and claims to run well on various hardware. You don’t seem to understand that there are other people with different setups. There are even other Nucleus owners on here who are having trouble.
Roon is not sold/presented as a DIY project. It’s an $800 piece of luxury software that is supposed to work out of the box.
“Roonbridge on Mac minis via Ethernet, output to analog preamp and power amp.”
Do you have a link? I’m not about to reconfigure my hardware because some (well-meaning) guy on the Internet “thinks” they read something somewhere that may or may not have anything to do with my specific setup. And Roon Support have never mentioned it.
I would argue that Roon is perfectly aware of how these devices work—so they should develop around those limitations. Everyone else does.
This seems very likely. Why doesn’t Roon develop better fault tolerance? They must know what you know, yet they end up blaming “the network”. That’s not a reasonable way to behave, especially when they don’t tell you that you need a Roon Certified Network™ before you hand over your $800.
That’s truly bizarre. I have the Roon remote installed on my iPhone SE, iPad Mini 2nd Gen, and my iPad Pro 12.9 2nd Gen, and it has never crashed, as far as I can remember. Bizarre…?
There’s a big sticker on the side of the box stating: ‘MUST BE INSTALLED BY A LINN DEALER’. Enuf said!
Errm… It DOES!
Neat! I just found out about the Forum’s “Ignore Member”. Thanks for that.
Glad that I’ve been of help!
I’ve no problem with Roon 1.8, except for a few things and minor inconvenience listed and posted on several threads on this Forum, but no major issue. One of my best friend visited me and was impressed by the Roon software and decided to join Roon.Since he started his subscription, he has been having problems after problems. We have the same system MacMini → RPi4/Ropieee —> Gungnir (USB). He has a newer MacMini (mine is late 2012).
The condescending tone of some folks here is difficult to understand. Is like “my is good and that’s all matters.”
@Andrew_Webb – do remember that people who are sorry to hear about your issues are trying to help
I did see that before asking my question. But I think the information you provided does not answer the question about whether your Core is connected via ethernet, does it? Sorry if I missed that, but I looked fairly carefully.
Sure, I don’t disagree with your perspective that none of this should be necessary. I wouldn’t have suggested a NUC if you hadn’t indicated yourself that you have thought of doing this.
[FWIW: I have purchased two lifetime licenses myself, and I would be furious if I were having the experience that you are having. Even though the UI issues that I have had since the 1.8 update are to me less serious b/c of my simple usage patterns, they still definitely affect how positively I see Roon and the Roon team that rolled out this update].
As compared with managing a Mac or Windows machine (even one that, in my case, was dedicated only to running Roon), I have found it very liberating to just run Roon from a device that is always on and that I can treat as an appliance. Roon users who run NUCs frequently mention this aspect as a positive.
Here’s the link. But looking at that thread again, the RAID SSD did not hold the Roon DB. So perhaps this is not relevant. In your place I would ask Roon Support about it directly if you haven’t already (they may not have mentioned it as a potential problem only because they didn’t notice that it’s RAID).
Hope you are able to move to a better Roon experience.
I’m sorry if I was rude. I do understand that you’re trying to help. Having messed around with Roon and the hardware involved ad nauseam, I’m very skeptical of hearsay and anecdote, as it applies to my setup.
I guess I just don’t understand this part. Do NUC’s never have software updates? That’s all the managing a dedicated Mac Core machine needs—and it runs 24/7. If you’re saying that the NUC has less general overhead, then I get that. However, plenty of other folks are running Macs and Windows boxes without issue.
It’s in every Support request, it’s in my Profile—I’ll mention it again extra loud next time I ask for support, but I’m pretty sure they know.
You and me both, otinkyad. Thank you.
Here’s my best attempt at explaining this. I just found it a pain to run the dedicated Mac and Windows machines. They just did not run stably (for me) 24/7 for days on end. Possibly this had to do with their both having been laptops rather than desktops. In any case, when they had interrupting events (e.g., when Mac wanted to install an update; or after Win forced an update) the hiccups usually affected Roon. The NUC stays on 24/7 without issue, and software updates have been fairly seamless for me.
I do know that many people run Win/Mac without issues. But I have also seen many people say something to the effect of “moving from /insert old Core machine here/ to NUC+ROCK was the best thing I ever did for my Roon experience”. I would count myself among those.
Not intending to evangelize for NUC, although I realize it may well sound like that, and I sometimes feel I am doing that.
There’s no doubt about it. If all a stand-alone piece of hardware, such as a NUC/Nucleus has to do is serve music via Roon, it will do it a damn-sight better than any platform running Windows/OS X, which is doing a myriad of other things in the background.
My advice? Get a NUC/ROCK or Nucleus.
This only true because you are comparing a 44.1/16bit flac file to a 48/24bit flac file.
I’m sure you’ll find something better for you. Good luck.
I subscribe to Tidal with the HiFi option through Roon, and once getting past the initial login issue it’s been flawless ever since.
I wonder if a lot of these issues are Internet related. I now have high speed fiber, maybe that’s a stumbling block for those who don’t have a high speed connection.
A lot of them say there are, and they ain’t! Run your upload/download speed test……