Saying good bye to Roon after a 5 years‘ subscription

My renewal is up again on 23rd of December, but this time around, I cancelled my renewal ahead of time.

What finally tipped the scale for me, is the one missing basic functionality, that is standard for all other remotely comparable and widely available software:
And this is graceful, artifact-free handling of track skipping, rewinding, fast forwarding, or DSP volume changes, by using a technique called zero-crossing-detection.
Instead, sudden jumps from one sample to the next result in more or less loud popping noises, especially when using a DAC output directly into an amp.

Roon staff acknowledged this issue years ago, but cautioned this would need an RAAT recode.
Implementing that necessitates firmware updates to all Roon ready devices, likely taking years for implementation and testing, not to speak of major support issues.
And that’s the reason why I think this’ll never change.

This is, where I’m at now:
I absolutely need rock solid synchronized multi room playback and extensively use REWs inversion method convolution with my main system.
Wanting free and open source software, as well as a reduction in carbon footprint by implementing all that on an RPi 5, I finally settled on Lyrion Music Server with CamillaDSP for my local and Qobuz media.

Lots of late night coffee ‘n curses finally resulted in a perfectly working, rock solid solution.

For me at least, the loss of Roon’s many nice-to-have features is more than compensated for by having fixed a nagging deficiency that muddied almost every listening session in the past five years.

I really enjoyed the ride, but the horse has run its course.
Fare well, dear fellow Roonies, and pursue whatever makes you happy!

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You’ll be missed by me and the many people you helped :disappointed_relieved: Enjoy the greener grass, I guess.

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Strange, I’ve never heard any popping noises using Roon?

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I’ve never had the problem either. Each person’s system has its own idiosyncrasies.

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I run both roon and Lyrion. Lyrion for listening and roon for every thing else.

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Usually this sort of message is flounce, which doesn’t bear reading because they have not really tried Roon or have unrealistic expectations. I almost didn’t read it.

In @Marin_Weigel‘s case they are a well established Rooner that has helped me and others a lot so has more understanding and will be missed.

See you in the next life Marin, bonne chance!

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Are you using USB into a smsl dac ? (Just a quess after looking at your profile).

Yes an M300MkII

I can rule out the DAC as the culprit, since this problem doesn’t occur using Squeezelite over LMS, everything else remaining the same.
And don’t forget, @support did acknowledge the problem.

Smsl dacs have a usb powersaving feature in the xmos chip . If you don’t turn this off in windows or Linux the usb ports will go to sleep.

On macOS you need to use a app like Amphetamin to prevent this. I also had issues with clicks and pops with a smsl dac, even loosing control over the dac in roon.

I’m using a roon certified dac streamer with lan , no issues at all.
But not a fan of USB with Xmos dacs.

Didn’t actually know about the SMSL USB power saving feature, but just checked power plan settings in Windows and had it turned off.
Is it the same with all the different XMOS generations, as the M300MkII has the second generation ones, iirc?

But still, the pops always only occurred on ffwd, rew, skip or DSP Volume actions, and never during play, even for hours at a time.

See you Marin.

Thank you for your many helpful contributions and support. All the best!

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my smsl D300 does it as well if I use my MacBook, its no issue with a raspberry pi and Roon but my phone also used to loose connection to the dac and clicks and pops during DSD playback.

As a previous owner of your model of DAC and also the SU-9, I experienced similar. I first noticed it before I discovered Roon when using Volumio via a RPi4. USB and also a Allo DAC hat coax. It also occurred when connecting a Dell based PC running Volumio.

I then found Roon and it also did it. I presumed a inherent SMSL DAC issue.

I never tried alternative softwares.

Not dismissing your belief it’s Roon, I never used LMS with either of my SMSL units so who knows :man_shrugging:. Every DAC since have been fine with all software options, connections etc.

Are you able to try and alternative DAC?

My only advice is, it must be your network and have you restarted your Roon Server twice? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

If you do fully decide to abandon the Roonies Loonies squad, it doesn’t mean you have to stop visiting the forum.

It’s been good reading some of your posts :face_with_peeking_eye:, and I think many will miss your candour.

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@Marin_Weigel

Hi Marin,

It is always a pity to see engaged users leaving the Roon-community, especially if it is due to a “minor” issue. I can imagine that for you this “minor” issue is a real deal-breaker, but I am also convinced that there should be an easy solution. What if you change your DAC, or at least do some tests with other DACs? I am sure that you can ask your local HiFi-store to try out other DACs, just as a test. Also online are a lot of shops giving you the possibility to return a DAC if you are not convinced. Just test and see of any other DAC is perhaps resulting in a sound without any pops when ffwd, rew, …
I hope that you can afterwards continue to use our beloved Roon (and help a lot of Roon-users as you always did in the past).

Good luck, Frank.

Thanks everyone for your kind words and sage advice, I really appreciate it.

Before the SMSL, I used a USB to SPDIF DDC with my prior DAC, as well as a friend’s iFi iDSD, both via a Windows Roon server causing the exact same symptoms.

It’s most pronounced, of course, when using a DAC to directly drive the power amp.
Especially so, since I’m not only correcting for room acoustics but additionally the speaker‘s intrinsic response (click my avatar to find links to correction curves of my system for reference).

Everyone also please take note that Roon staff acknowledged the problem being with RAAT software!

All that said, neither am I convinced that it can be fixed by replacing the DAC, nor am I inclined to falsify my conviction.

But my principal quibble with Roon is, that instead of fixing identified deficiencies with the software’s core functionalities, development resources are exhausted on more and more ancillary features and fixing their bugs.
And my specific case is just one example.

Best of all, I’ve now got a free alternative absolutely satisfactorily running without having to endure said problem - and my visualization tinkerings still work with it!

Let’s wait and see if I‘ll start missing the unique and nice to have Roon features at some point…happy listening, everyone, and have a nice weekend!

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Marin, I noticed in your OP, you’ve solved this by using an RPi 5. Question: Are you using the RPi to feed an external DAC via USB? Or, are you using a HaT DAC on the Pi?

Yes, the same SMSL M300MkII I‘d been using with Roon on a Win11 server.

Well, actually I solved it by switching to Lyrion Media Server on an RPi5.

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