Hi Stefan
To be fair i’ve only had if a few days but at the same time I also added an ifi Stream into my system as I wanted the flexibility of Tidal Connect and also a dedicated Dac for connectivity. Having said that i’m very pleased with the new setup, against my Lumin D2 at times track dependant I think its more musical and detailed.
I worked from this review that made my mind up to purchase.
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Have you not read any of this thread and Danny’s response to why this isn’t happening? Roon doesn’t need to decide anything - it’s ALL on Spotify, Apple, Amazon etc…
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FWIW, I’ve found Tidal 16/44 MQA sounds generally better than Qobuz at higher bit rates.
in my system of course, with my ears. 
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The world covers and acts differently than we do here, Spotify doesn’t need a hi-fi stage for their clientele.
It was at this moment I realized I didn’t understand a word that was said.
Not often I feel like a mouth breathing knuckle dragger. But it’s going to be that kind of day.
I’ll be perusing google, thank you.
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I don’t think you understand how Roon & Spotify work! Roon requires deep integration and Spotify does not give it to Roon. It is not a simple direct connection, and that everyone can do in a fairly short time.
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Spotify said they would have lossless aka Spotify HD by the end of the year
A broken promise is this business is unacceptable . They have 10 days.
Should it not arrive I will never use Spotify again ,ever. I dont care how good it is.
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Fair enough. While I’d like them to add lossless my main use case is streaming in the car or from the phone. I’m still old fashioned enough to see MP3 as OK quality for out and about and it’s easy to stream over 4G ;). For me MP3 streaming is my valued feature, lossless would be a bonus.
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#boycottspotify
They pay artists terribly and instead of repaying the creators who make ho his fortune their CEO instead invests in AI warfare tech. I am boycotting them - my 15 year listening account is deleted and I have removed my own music from their platform. I don’t want the money I spend or the music I make to have a direct connection to warfare and death.
If you already knew and can still give them money, that is your choice. This post is to inform those who weren’t aware where Daniel Ek spends his profits.
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I do understand, I simply do not make that novel about it. I hopeSpotify go for CD-Q, i hope they both integrate. Period. It would be a a wonderful way to integrate all of the sources under the same umbrella. Wishful thinking, yes, impossible, no. Problem is Spotify, but they have no reasons to listen to anything really. Their customer does not abandon them, as do not my wife. And in a car or the summertime RV, it does not matter. The big audience mobile phones and substandard in-ear plugs, who can tell the difference … Yes ,they have the major market, SQ consious nerds is pushing from a weaker point of view.
Interesting discussion - I wish to agree with a few of the points raised including the following in particular:
- Spotify feigned to jump, Apple and Amazon jumped for real, now they are in pain and Spotify is taking notes.
- Lossless isn’t worth it for Spotify - if they could, they would backtrack. But now they have announced, what do they do? My guess is (and I would support this if they did it) - they really want to charge more for lossless. Apple and Amazon truly screwed with this plan. Perhaps, Spotify believes they cannot hold it for long. At some point, they have to adjust their pricing. I would expect that Spotify’s costs are lower than the competitors - just because of economies of scale.
- Spotify has approx. 172 million subscribers. Those interested in Hifi are a minuscule percentage. How many are they, if we have to estimate? Well, Roon has less than 200 000 users (if anyone has the actual number, please share) but the point being, we constitute zero point zero zero something compared to total Spotify subscribers. Tidal has just over 4 million subs - and I would argue that half of those also subscribe to Spotify (I am one of those) - so this is yet another teeny tiny group of audiophiles - most of which will not leave Tidal (or Qobuz) because of hi-res. So, in the bigger scheme of things - Spotify can afford to ignore us for a year and still grow.
Sorry folks - it is not nice to realise you are too small to be considered - but this seems to be one of those. So I suppose if Spotify starts looking at the cost of hosting the larger files, all the work and negotiations with labels - for what - a million people tops. Why don’t you offer the Car Thing instead, for twice as many people, better still, offer podcasts for 10 times that many people.
3 days to Christmas and counting
9 days to year end
We will find out if we are, indeed, insignificant to Spotify in the next 9 days. tik tok
Good analysis, shaped less by your own wishful thinking and more by hard realities.
Spotify has set all investment priorities differently in recent months. For me, it was a red herring to put Apple and Amazon in the worse cost position.
They are just regaining a strong position in a field where others are still very weak.
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It is not the wrong choice, RME is an outstanding DAC with superb build quality and backed by amazing support.
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Funny how suddenly Spotify have become masterminds of deception. 
I think it’s the other way around, they lost an opportunity to raise the prices, and now they are waiting to see what kind of downfall comes from not coming true on their promises.
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Apple and Amazon had the digital music market firmly and almost monopolistically in a customer size of over 1 billion customer accounts in hand. These strategists have been wrong about your strength before, lost over 90% and suddenly Spotify was the undisputed market leader. Strategically, something seems to be going better here and where the new journey as the next No. 1 is also already foreseeable.
On the old price basis of the niche providers Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer, a HiFi level for music would have been more interesting for Spotify as well, there is no doubt about that. Now it makes more sense to stop tackling that yourself and invest in podcast, audiobooks, etc.
Anyone who builds up five times the storage requirements in the cloud at considerable extra cost, while at the same time halving the prices even in this niche and offering months of partly stacked 18 months plus a further 6 months free with the purchase of equipment, only has gifts on offer and not a saleable product.We’ll see if at least device sales benefit or at least remain at last year’s level.
We’ll see if at least device sales benefit or at least remain at last year’s level.
The spectacle of the free addition is something every smart businessman would much rather watch from the sidelines, especially since there aren’t many customers to be gained here. It takes many months until a discontinued product (Primephonic) can compete again with Indiago as Apple Music.Nothing for Christmas joy this year and also not consistent in the investment policy.
Specialist services like Midia will tell us what damage this has caused for which companies. The disinterest in five times the cost at half the price is understandable to me. Everyone may cheer the discontinuation of Primephonic, the further buyout of Idagio, the price halving, the fivefold storage requirement for billions of customers. Whether it was then actually accepted by a few million, we will hear in Q1 2022.
Everyone can believe what they want. After a Spotify announcement, the weaker competition maneuvered itself into exactly this position. Spotify will not be unhappy about this. There have been other investment targets in focus for a long time, which also run through the news.
So you have no problem with a company lying to their customers?
But maybe they will release HIFI before the end of this year, and all live happily ever after.
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No general rool-out was promised this year. Spotify wanted to bring more depth and clarity to initial very select test areas with Spotify Connect-enabled speakers.
It’s more sensible not to deliver on a promise until the technology to do so is mature. We were able to experience live in frustration how the competition handled this in marketing.
It was smart to hold out the prospect of this Christmas business in the spring. Now the competition has to prove that its announcements were more than just marketing for new devices.
You are giving Spotify way too much credit. They dont even communicate adequately to their customers.
Do you think Apple cares that much about the cost of providing lossless? Not even a little bit. They want to sell more hardware and let the subscriptions for all their services flourish.
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If Spotify was going to wait till the spring, don’t you think it would be a good idea to tell their customers?
Personally i think they have decided not to offer lossless. They tested lossless many years ago and didn’t do it .
They sure did make a big deal out of though in February with Eilish.
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When Apple went lossless and hi res,they hooked me into their 30/month family subscription plan with 2 tb cloud storage ,apple tv and music,arcade for the kids. Apple news too. Apple news has saved me a lot of magazine subscriptions and a Wall Street Journal subscription too.
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