Squeezebox Touch in 2021 as a Roon Endpoint - Is it worth it?

Question #1
Antiquated library management…how so?

Do you have examples? FWIW, LMS has every library management style available…including via Folder [which Roon does not]

Question #2
How would you create a playlist in Roon which consists of the following?

Playlist Alpha consists of:
5 whole albums from Artist John
2 whole albums from Artist Bob
1 album from Artist Rick
3 songs from Artist Jane

Navigate to Music folder
Click on Artist John folder then add to playlist [name it Alpha]
Click on the other 4 albums then add to playlist Alpha
Navigate to Artist Bob folder open and repeat add to playlist Alpha
repeat for each artist until done.
Very very simple

How would you do this in Roon…step by step?

This is a great way to prove Roon as superior library management. I look forward to reading your steps.

Of course I don’t doubt you, Roon appears to be superior in every way, newer and great looks. But I would like to see the actual steps as confirmation.

The Squeezebox Touch’s screen is pretty much not very useful when used with Roon. The screen just shows the cover art and some timing info. However any Roon Remote (computer, phone, tablet,etc) can be used to control the Touch.

Digital output is via coax or spdif and is limited to 24bit/96kHz. There is also a way to enable USB output but I never tried it.

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For a start I don’t see folder view in the Material Skin as on by default so you have to enable it so can’t be an important feature if it hidden from the off. Folder view also requires you to have preorganised your music into artist/album folders. Roon negates this I have my albums organised in where they came from so LMS fails here straight away as I may have two albums from John in a folder called Qobuz, one more from HiResAudio and another from Bandcamp.

In LMS there appears to be no way to add an album directly to a playlist only the play queue then you have to save this as a playlist which is far from intuitive.

So in Roon would go to artist view I have the option of typing just J to quick jump or I can add more characters to get me closer or use the funnel filter all get me there the same as folder view in LMS. Click into the artist select the four albums needed,.select add them to playlist, make new playlist named Alpha. Hit back do the same again for Bob add to Alpha playlist. Rinse repeat. Simple to achieve and does same thing so not sure what your point is here.

I honestly don’t see what the advantage of folder browsing here brings, why do I want to emulate on operating system when looking for music either. In 7 years of using LMS I never used folder browser once. In Roon I can just look for ab artist they are all grouped regardless of folders or location.

Sure I add albums, tracks or what ever I want to a playlist in LMS…straight from the library.

Important features are subjective, surely whats important to you might not be important for someone else. One of the reason why freedom to configure the UI is important.

Some people create folders of an artist and put albums from that artist in the folder…seems intuitive for those people. Another way is just to use the garbage can approach and just add everything into one folder, then let the software sort it out for you…

If you don’t use folders then its a feature you will never see value in…some people like myself do use folders and most software [at least from yester-year] had this functionality. In the 20+ years I’ve been using music software its something I always use…dating back to Winamp and Foobar.

Good to see you enjoy the way Roon does it, I’d steer clear of LMS if you enjoy the way Roon does it.

I do. I pop back to try it out every now and again when new things are added, only recently to check out v8 and the Material Skin that everyone goes on about but it still felt the same to me and I really dont like its attempt at mixing streaming with local music, just a mess imo. But for free and that fact its still has loyal following and developemt is testament that it still has its place and is a worthy product. It just didnt grow with what I needed or wanted.

I have a used one for sale that I listed on the Roon FS at this link. Not sure if you’re in the US but if you’re looking for a used one to try out…

I just got a used one and the sound from the SPDIF output to my DAC is really special - smooth and coherent. Dare to say its smoother than the pi - hifiberry digi+ running Ropieee Xl!

I only have a question. Upon boot most of the times the SBT won’t display “now playing” information but will show a screen like the one below instead. Sometimes it will just start showing now playing but it’s not very often.
Any idea how I’m going to set this to work?

In settings => Display => Screensaver you can set the screen for:

  1. While Playing
  2. While Stopped
  3. When Off
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Hi Mike.

I’ve already set this. I have basically set the screen to turn off when nothing’s playing and have opted for ‘‘now playing’’ and album art when it actually plays music.

The thing is it will show info on the display only some of the times, not always. Looks like it’s a random thing. A quick research showed there are many people having the same problem…
hm :thinking:

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Hmm indeed…Mine seems to reliably display what I’ve set it for. You can also add a now playing command to the main menu somewhere in settings, but you’d need to use the touch screen to get now playing to load. Also, there is a button on the SB remote that goes directly to now playing.

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If you add the EDO mod to the SBT it gives you PCM output up to 192kHz on all three interfaces. This is what I use with Roon into my DAC.

I’m searching hard for a replacement for the SBT because my DAC has an I2S input that supports up to 352.8 and DSD256 but I just can’t find anything that meets all these criteria:

  1. Works as a Roon endpoint
  2. Has a screen that shows me track info and artwork from up to 3m away
  3. Supports an instant remote control for play/pause/skip (could be IR or Harmony Hub)
  4. I2S output with higher than 192kHz support

Suggestions welcome. Otherwise, two thumbs up from me for using an SBT as a Roon endpoint.

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This seems to be a bug in Roon I think. If you use the SBT either on screen or via IR remote to initiate playback then you’ll get the now playing info. I’ve also mapped a button on my Harmony Hub’s remote for “info” that brings that screen up directly – but if I didn’t initiate playback from the SBT the screen saver kicks in again after a short time.

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The problem is the SBT I bought used didn’t come with a remote control. Is there anyway I can initiate the now playing screen without the remote?

Have you tried to use the commands on the screen? (see below)

The now playing screen and any other screen on the Touch when used as a Roon endpoint is basically hit and miss - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. However this lack of screen functionality in no way affects the audio.

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A Squezebox Touch used as a Roon Endpoint, would it be possible to ajust volume up/down using my Roon app if the Touch is connected to speakers via Coax digital only?
The speakers (Dynaudio) have coax in only, and I am trying to avoid using the separate volume remote control unit from Dynaudio, and only use the Roon app.

In other words, can Roon ajust volume through coax digital?

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I am using SQT with builint dac, mainly to listen to Live Radio. Roon connects to the SQT via wifi.
I am connecting directly to my amp, and I can adjust volume on the SQT screen.
I cannot think of why going out coax would make any difference.

If you use rca out from SQT, I think it might be different. Aren’t you ajusting in analog domain then?

No, digital volume A.F.A.I.K.

I’m not using a Touch now, but if I recall correctly, you can use Roon to adjust volume regardless of the output method.

That’s surprising to hear. I jumped from LMS to Roon when Roon started supporting Squeezebox endpoints. That was 5+ years ago. Has LMS actually made significant progress since then? For me, Roon was miles beyond LMS back then and assumed it really hadn’t gone far since.

@gtj - I do still use several Squeezeboxes as endpoints. There’s little functionality via the SB but, on my Touch and SB Radio, it’s great to have album art when playing. If I was looking for a cheap endpoint only to pair with an existing DAC, I’d probably go with an rPi, Otherwise, an SB still serves as a nice endpoint & DAC on a secondary system. I imagine you can find them at a reasonable price these days.