Sorry iam not for or against MQA, but your example is rather ought. Since when you buy the above content/albums you own them. Otherwise you are hiring them (tidal) not really the same is it?.
That may well be your perspectiveâŚi.e. owning rather than rentingâŚbut surely you are aware that most of the modern world disagrees with your perspective
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Consider the majority of people now live in Rented accommodation, rather than property they own
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Consider that in Europe and the US at least, that approx 66% of cars are leased, i.e. are not owned by the user
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Consider that most of Microsoftâs; Adobeâs and smaller Software companies Revenues from SAS [Software as a Service] Monthly / Yearly Subscription schemes
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Consider that most most usersâ music consumption these days is done thru Streaming servicesâŚFree or PaidâŚwith the content not being âownedâ the user
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and lastly as we are on a Roon forum, consider that many / most users here are on the Yearly subscription schemeâŚand that even those that are on Lifetime subs do not actually âownâ the productâŚthey merely have âaccessâ to it
Many peopleâs perception of needing to âownâ things have changedâŚwith the majority being more than happy that âAccess RIghtsâ = Ownership [in all the tangible senses]
i am just stating that i donât agree with your example
again i am not against or for MQA. No need to push your views further.
besides that most point are questionable.
I do have qobuz actually and tidal besides my own collection.
I still buy music from qobuz and HDtracks to support musicians (call me old fashioned)
Once i get a device that can play/decode MQA i will certainly try it.
The format is not really a concern aslong I can enjoy listing to music.
For now enjoy the music.
[quote=âRonnie, post:153, topic:20611â]
âSorry iam not for or against MQA, but your example is rather ought. Since when you buy the above content/albums you own them. Otherwise you are hiring them (tidal) not really the same is it?.â
That may well be your perspectiveâŚi.e. owning rather than rentingâŚbut surely you are aware that most of the modern world disagrees with your perspective
[/quote]It is not a matter of perspective. There is an indisputable difference between owning and renting regardless of how you feel about it.
Iâm sorry, but it IS a matter of perspectiveâŚand I havenât expressed my personal opinion on the matterâŚIâve simply stated that most people in 2017 do not see any TANGIBLE day to day difference between âowningâ and ârentingâ music or movies
Itâs also worth bearing in mind, that you do not âownâ the music you claim to ownâŚyou own the jewel case and the sliver platterâŚbut you donât own the music itselfâŚand this is very clearly enshrined in the DMCAâŚyou have the right to play the disc, but nothing elseâŚunlike with other items you own, you cannot use part of it to make something else [e.g. a sample to make a track of your own]âŚand you donât have the right to copy it [no matter what âFair Use Policyâ will tell you]âŚand you donât have the right to sell the discâŚnor do you have the right to play the disc publiclyâŚagain all very clearly enshrined within the DMCAâŚirrespective of what common practice is [here and elsewhere]
Just as it is with the Software that we use daily [including Roon]âŚwe have the right to use the Service provided by the Software, but we do not âownâ it
Historically, many people have preferred to own their Homes, Cars, Music and Movies [at least the silver platters]âŚbut that viewpoint is changing rapidly in many areas of life
[quote=âRonnie, post:169, topic:20611â]
Iâm sorry, but it IS a matter of perspectiveâŚand I havenât expressed my personal opinion on the matterâŚIâve simply stated that most people in 2017 do not see any TANGIBLE day to day difference between âowningâ and ârentingâ music or movies
[/quote]Let me make it simple. If you stop paying your streaming service for whatever reason, you lose access the material you had been enjoying. If you buy a disc (or a file), you can play it forever without paying anything more.
Fair use, other usage considerations and individual preferences are extraneous.
As I said, thaâs your perspective, which you are entitled toâŚMany donât share your view, especially millennials
Specifically regarding access to high res content, there are currently 1,500 high res albums on TidalâŚassuming a typical user wants access and play rights to 400 [25%] of that totalâŚthen
His choice last December was to pay $25 by 400 = $10,000 for those play rights
But in January, a new choice became available to pay just $20 pm / $240 pa for play rights access to the same material
And given that Trade-Off, many are happy to âsurrenderâ their right to ownâŚespecially when they realize that they donât truly âownâ the music anyway
Many users here grew up in an era where there was no choice but to buy the music and slowly build up their collectionsâŚbut there are now other choices available
I wonder what the 22-year old versions of ourselves would have chosen if given the choice to
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spend $1,000 a year on increasing our libraries by 50 albums per year [as many here likely did]âŚOR
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spend $240 a yearâŚwhilst having continuous access to a million albumsâŚat home and while travelling / mobile
Would our 20-year selves have made different life choices about âowningâ versus ârentingâ?
It is pointless to argue with someone who will not acknowledge the accepted dictionary definitions of the two common words, rent and own.
Just as itâs pointless to argue with someone who insists on a Clint Eastwood âget off my Lawnâ approach
For the record, Iâve clearly acknowledged the differences between âowningâ and ârentingâ aboveâŚbut are you seriously suggesting that there is only one ârightâ way to access a music library in 2017?
As stated, many are happy to surrender their âownershipâ privileges to 500 albumsâŚin order to have the right to ârentâ and play 1,000,000 albumsâŚeither at home or mobile
@Ronnie, Glad you agree that your example was not a correct one. The rest is not really relevant . I find it rather amusing that people state things with conviction without real figures to back it up.
I think for the next generation streaming might be/ could be the only way forward. However there are many users out there with different preference how consume products/goods. It is a dangoures thing to state the general consenius is this and the rest is rubisch or not tru this is simply not the case.
Keep an open mind in life.
For now enjoy life and music worry about things that really matter.
Ps. I have nothing against streaming or differrent business models.
@Michael_Schilder
I donât know what example you are referring toâŚand please try not put any words in my mouth
[quote=âRonnie, post:184, topic:20611â]
For the record, Iâve clearly acknowledged the differences between âowningâ and ârentingâ
[/quote] you put your own words in your own mouth.
Have a nice day
And so to be clearâŚmy example above remains a valid one [and not incorrect as you state]âŚand my âopinionâ on its relevance to many users remains a valid oneâŚas does your âopinionâ to your own preferences
Itâs valid as opnion but not valid in itâs contex. It represents value the way you precieve the service streaming. In this i can relate ;).
It has been fun exchanging thoughts
I never expressed a preference either way.
Iâve extracted this debate into a new thread as it has departed from the topic in the MQA thread. Feel free to continue if you would like to, but it is possible that you have each made all of the points that can usefully be made.
Agreed. A dead end.