I’m sure I’m not alone in my desire to use Roon offline when internet goes down or it’s so painfully slow that searches etc get annoying.
I suggest that Roon allows two instances to be included in the licensing where one of them must be legacy 1.8.
I’d be happy to host 2.0 on my current NUC while having an install of 1.8 sitting on my NAS that I can run up when I need to do so. I maintain a backup of my music library on my NAS anyway so it’s an easy solution. I would simply start the Roon service in the NAS manually.
I’m not keen on having just 1.8 and being left behind with all future developments.
I’m not a regular forum user, just when I have issues.
The real issue with continuing with 1.8 is that there seems to be no reassurance that it will be maintained to even be compatible with future operating system releases.
Roon 2.0 is the current product that will be maintained and updated. Roon 1.8 Legacy will probably not after 12/31/2022. It will work until it doesn’t. At least, that’s about all Roon has said so far. I guess that could change, but I would not count on it.
If I had a bunch of local files and sketchy internet service, I would use Roon 1.8 Legacy as long as it works. When and if it no longer works, I would look for something else such as Audirvana Origin.
I’ve never known a software company to arbitrarily remove such base functionality. For my use it’s obviously offline use but I also endured the elimination of library file management.
I’m curious what else has been removed that I know nothing about.
I think it’s just a bit rude to those who supported Roon in the early days.
No excuses being made for Roon. But they have not just arbitrarily removed off line working. I think that shifting various functionalities like search to the cloud rather than part on our machines for local music and part cloud makes full on line working inevitable. My concern is that the old platitude about there being a functioning product left if Roon goes bump is now unlikely. I am less concerned about the 1.8 legacy issue. I’ve purposely sought out hardware that Roon cannot render useless without doing so to their own Nucleus product. They aren’t likely to do that any time soon.
What I will say, and I know this will upset some who have to stay with 1.8 is, why should Roon support its use on a platform that Isn’t being supported by the people that made it? We know the hardware is viable. If that platform ran Windows 10 it would be OK. For me, that sits with Apple and the way they actively render their own products obsolete.
As their servers are at the mercy of other dependancies, google, aws and cloudflare we also have to put up with no Roon when they have issues along with their own meltdowns which does happen. Makes the product less appealing for any kind of local use. It’s no longer the service I initially subscribed to and makes me very disappointed that I know have to have an active backup solution not had to think about one until this update and make you really re-evaluate if it’s worth the money.
That’s a non-issue, you know that when you sign up for Apple and some other vendors. It’s the same with operating systems, old versions get desupported. Apple do continue to release some updates to very old OS but there comes a point where the hardware will no longer be supported. That is not typically the case with software still in support, that software is generally updated to support the latest OS versions. That is my concern with 1.8 as a long term solution. I’m not keen on maintaining an old OS just for 1.8.
Currently my Roon environment spends as much time down as it is up. That hasn’t been an issue for nearly a year because I’ve spent a lot of time in hospital and in recovery but now I’m past that I want a reliable solution.
It certainly isn’t and the way we have gotten here has been very opaque. I’ve never seen this sort of approach to software development. Where is the roadmap forward? This isn’t Apple with their releases of supposedly earth shattering new features, even they do t just drop major features on a whim. Roon should be mapping out where we’re going because as it stands their early customers are being left behind.
I have no idea how the search in the cloud is of any benefit to users who only have local files. I don’t understand why there needs to be a constant internet connection for only local files, a monthly ping for license purposes seems all that’s needed.
If the strategy is only for streaming content then Roon will quickly find some of the streaming services may provide a similar service in the future at no cost as they try to differentiate themselves in a saturated market. Roon may make itself irrelevant.
Roon also made contractual obligations that it would have a functional version if they ever ceased business, I’m at a loss how they intend to achieve that.
Roon 2.0 is the current, very functional version. Roon have a roadmap. It’s not public and there’s no reason it should be. Roon is a privately owned company, not a collaborative effort. I doubt any decisions they make are “on a whim.”
So speaks a streaming user only. For the rest of with local music this is a very different and real issue. I would be very angry indeed if I had bought lifetime and get shafted this way as it now lacks functionality it once had.
I’ve had almost no problems at all with mine, despite being on the early release candidate. The only issue I’ve had was the core update being ahead of the Android App, so for a few hours, my Android devices were inoperable as Roon Remote devices.
Otherwise, Roon has been rock solid.
EDIT: Would you mind sharing some details around your Core and network setup? This is often key to many issues.
My network setup is robust (OK - understatement, it’s bomb-proof). Network is often a factor in Roon performance issues. It would be helpful to understand your setup, so that assistance can be given to mitigate/eliminate issues.
I live in the country and my internet service out here is very poor. It’s a wifi connection and I’m at the extremes of the service. My only option for improvement is to subscribe to a satellite service. It’s been particularly bad coming out of winter here.
The actual home network and server are rock solid. It’s just the increasing reliance on the internet.
I can’t use Roon either when my internet is down. I’m not sure why streaming users would be any different than local music users. I just turn on my iPhone or iPad cellular hotspot and use my Dell Roon core or Audirvana or Apple Music.
Your missing the point I should not have to turn to another app in any circumstance if I do then this has made Roon redundant as the all singing app it claims to be. As for hotspots not all of us can do that as cellular reception is shocking and still expensive. I am lucky to get calls through at home on all 4 networks we have in the Uk as tried them all data lol.
Have you looked at and considered a hotspot device such as T-Mobile, Verizon, or AT&T? I wonder how much data you would use streaming your own music files?