No it’s about power and control.
Samsung vs apple.
I’ve got iPad and a note 20 ultra.
Roon works exactly the same in both for me.
I actually use the phone more than iPad now.
Previously I was on auralic lightning ds. That’s ios only and absolutely awful software.
Roon is smooth and in a different class the auralic.
Samsung will potentially use roon as leverage. At present there’s zero leverage as roon is incredibly niche.
Therefore before they can use roon as leverage they need to condition people to using it.
That’s going to take time and a massive change in listening habits.
Conversely Samsung will have to totally change roon and it’s functionality in order to attract users. I’ve already stated why roon in its present state won’t remotely appeal to the majority.
Samsung have to create the mindset that roon is essential. We live in the age where the majority are obsessed with appearance and not being different.
Samsung will have to tap into that.
Presently that impossible with roon.
Hence the necessity for diametrical change in rooms software and ethos.
Exclusivity comes into play when people are conditioned into believing that roon is essential.
That will take time.
Roon is safe in the short term. It’s long term survival as a premium audio platform is seriously in doubt.
I have absolutely no idea what any of this, after your first four lines, has to do with the question of the currently existing feature parity between Roon on iOS and Android or Dirk’s issue that it seems to misrecognize his Android tablet as a phone.
It’s to do with everything.
You can’t narrow the debate down to android vs ios.
I’ve got a brain and can see beyond the basic.
I also like extemporising
Try it sometime.
We were solely discussing Dirk’s issue that on his tablet it behaves like on a phone, which seems to be a bug. This has nothing to do with Harman as he has had this issue for a long time. While I have the apparently same tablet (just without a SIM slot) and for me it uses the tablet UI correctly.
The only that I wish, they come with a Nucleolus with up to date Technolgy, NVMe 4 or 5 for ssd’s, ush4 for external disks, a powerful processor that can do it job without frozen playback, don’t ask me to be online to use Roon, a real search that not only faster, that work right, metadata, All those very annoying things. And please publish real specifications, is like they want me to buy air for a piece of dated hardware i.e. nucleus.
Same here, thinking of moving my core off my Zen Mini III.
Can’t for the life of me remember any details of another device I own that could be utilised ![]()
A lot of similar thoughts. Does this help Roon grow and be more usable by many or do they screw it up! So many mergers end up as screw ups. I hope my gamble on lifetime was more like the lottery than craps!
Really hope this doesn’t happen. I know people who finally realized their spotify streaming sounds like crap compared to their CDs, but didn’t know why. It would be interesting to know how many Apple users keep it on lossless.
It’s not a zero sum game
Sadly, resources and where they are expended is zero sum unless there is unlimited capital. Maybe you could say Samsung is like the Fed, but it’s not.
Roon already gets the signal from A to B transparently. What further resources do you feel need to be expended on that that would take precedence or resources over the negotiation of broadening it’s music partners?
Your Qobuz library isn’t suddenly going to sound muddy because they do a deal with Apple Music.
The number of customers and the revenue are not zero sum, though, and so your resources aren’t, either, even though capital isn’t unlimited.
Not on Android necessarily and not on my LG V60. There could be other cases where bit perfect aka truly digital audiophile becomes de-prioritized like it was in my case. So that’s what I mean. Sure I’m using the last audiophile phone, but this is what got me to go with Roon, their at least aspirational commitment to sound quality.
Maybe I should say over a particular time frame. Product development is always zero-sum in the near term. You’re always making choices or bets on what’s the right direction for growth.
Do you think Roon will maintain the RoonOS and the lifetime membership?
I think Harman paid the price to get it and will try to get good return.
True, but when you make good decisions you make more money and become more attractive to talent. And in software it often moves quickly compared to other industries where you need factories, logistics, etc
The second post in this thread was a post from me suggesting that Roon should support Atmos.
Then a couple of days ago someone posted (and I can’t find it atm) an intriguing piece of news:
Since we’re all apparently loving idle speculation at the moment… what’s the betting that we’ll see this implemented in Roon, backed up by a new generation of hardware from AV manufacturers, before Roon licences Atmos? ![]()
Just what we need another format war.
Of course, completely forgot about “audiophile” and “niche” Android that you referenced earlier.
Aside from that there are Android-based streamers that get the signal from A-B transparently so I doubt very much it’s a platform issue.
