This tells me you’ve aimed your latest release at streamers. I paid for lifetime and curate my own library. I’d imagine most users with local libraries use tags. I’m disappointed with your direction Roon. It’s become apparent to me, following this latest release, you’re depreciating non-subscribing users. Would you care to comment?
Hi Mike,
That is good news, by the sounds of the comment, it will make a lot of people happier, and not just me !
I’m still loving the feel of 1.8.
What was the thinking of the Roon team of removing the Tags features? to remove them totally in future versions, or was it improve DB search performance ?
1 Like
Thanks Mike. You just made my day.
Hi Simon, I don’t understand why you’re drawing the conclusion that streaming users wouldn’t use tags.
I have a large local library, but 99% of new music now I add is through a streaming service. I use tags across all my library.
For me, tags are about building custom relationships and subsets between groups of music that aren’t necessarily catered for by the existing metadata. Whether that’s a local or streaming album is irrelevant.
1 Like
They have a dedicated team of people working months and months. You may not agree with some of their choices, got it.
That is way too hard/too many steps.
Only a programmer would think that’s the way it should be done.
Roon shouldn’t think it’s an upgrade to make simple things more difficult and complicated.
Thanks, I have the same point of view as Jan_StesData, Phil_Smith
This is a good and important function to me too.
This is where I disagree. There is an object and a tool to organize objects. IMO the object is primary, the tool secondary; so the operation of the tool should at least be usable at the object.
To hammer nails into a shed wall to organize my tools, I grab a hammer. I don’t grab a hammer and look for things to nail. Am I going to go to Tags to look for funk albums to add to my Funk tag? Not I. I would, however, add a Funk tag while viewing/playing a good funk album. Or use Focus to select a group of Funk albums and group tag to Funk. So if I’m not adding funk albums at Tags, using Tags and only Tags to remove or edit my Funk tag makes little sense to me.
Another example of “fixing what ain’t broke.” Bring back the daggum tag button with the checklist, pretty please.
1 Like
Agree. The present tag function was designed and approved by people who think like programmers, not by users. Elegant solutions aren’t elegant if the user doesn’t think they are.
1 Like
I say again, it’s not about you, and it’s not about me.
The people here show an amazing (yes, sometimes perverse) creativity in using the system.
Is it the case that artists have albums, or albums have artists?
Or artists have compositions and albums have compositions so the artist and albums are linked that way?
Where do you start traversing?
An album is tagged Euro Jazz.
When I’m looking at that album, that’s interesting to know.
And using that tag in a search for albums is useful.
So the tag is clearly an attribute of the album.
But sometimes I look in the tag to see which albums I have there, so the albums are an attribute of the tag.
Yesterday, in one of these threads I actually looked in the Euro Jazz tag and found Abdullah Ibrahim, what the hell, he is from Africa, so I deleted him from the tag. But I could just as well have been playing his album and noticed the wrong tag and deleted it there.
This universality of relationships is a key strength of Roon.
Many other systems follow a fixed hierarchy, like the file system, where you have to decide that an artist owns albums.
So trying to decide who is above what is not a good path.
That said, they clearly messed up the UI for tags, have acknowledged it and will fix it.
I disagree here. I think a primary goal of Roon has been to create a more personal listening experience. Not universal. So, it kinda is about you and about me.
Agree, architectural choices must be made. Do Tags own Artists?
What I meant by “it’s not about you” was in response to your statement “ Am I going to go to Tags to look for funk albums to add to my Funk tag? Not I.” Ok, but maybe some do.
The architectural choice has been made and the answer is “no”.
There is no ownership.
They are linked.
The essential architectural choice that underlies this system since 20 years.
Gotcha, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
When it comes to tags I apply, my rational is not usually based around genre at all. It is a way to express my own connections and then use them.
Lets say I create a Tag called Friday Night Funk, I can tag the Ohio Players “Fire” album, the Bruno Mars track “Uptown Funk”, and the Artist Prince. I can then shuffle all of these together using the Tag. That is extremely powerful.
Also, Tags is one of the few things in Roon that can actually nest. I have created Tag trees four or five layers deep; and the Bookmarked various levels for quick access.
Tags are additive so, really the answer to the users who have lost the OR of the bookmark is to use the inclusiveness of the Tag. They can Tag the various labels and then bookmark the Tag.
4 Likes
Thanks so much for working on this. I appreciate how responsive the Roon team is to feedback.
1 Like
This is a great example… had not thought of tagging across albums, artists, and tracks like that!
2 Likes
I’ve been meaning to write up a Tags use case FAQ for ages. They are one feature that I think more people would use if they understood some use cases.
4 Likes
I basically do that in Playlists - not sure I would convert to tags…
I’m really surprised to read that most roon users do not use tags , it’s so convenient and easy to class your own way hundreds of albums.
I’m not. In my all day 1.8 google meet discussions on Wednesday. Most of the users who joined and complained about tags, actually never used them. Many actually n3ver realized 1.7 had Focus.
1 Like