I’m trying to make an NVME as the internal storage to my ROCK, it accepts but during copy it freezes and the web interface showing that the internal storage has gone.
Also it disappears from the SMB share, after reboot it shows again and the files is intact.
I tried this on 2 different machines from different make and the result is the same.
Rock doesn’t work this way. With Rock, the NVME is the OS drive, a SATA or external drive is the music drive. If this isn’t for you, you can’t use Rock.
thank you i ll find a way , or what will u do if all SSDs becomes NVME ? do u still use HDD?
You can even buy SSDs with PATA (IDE) interface that has gone for decades now from mainstream motherboards. There is currently no reason to believe that SATA storage will become unavailable anytime for the next decades. Also which of the compatible and supported NUCs do you use for your experiments?
Why do you want to do this? Do you have a large capacity PCIe SSD you want to use?
If so, you may want to install a minimal Linux distribution, e.g., Ubuntu Server or DietPi, and install the Roon x64 binary plus dependencies. Then you are at liberty to use the drive for both OS and media files.
i have a large liberrary 4TB of high sample rates 192 and DSDs , i want to use the faster nvme drive , why using the fast drive for storage and leave the fastest only for OS
You don’t say what DSD bit rates are employed or the sample bit depths of your 192kS/s PCM but assuming the highest, the average bit rate required for reading the PCM media files from your SSD is:
192000 (samples) x 32 (bits per sample) x 2 (channels) = 12288000 (bits per second) or about 12.3Mb/s or ~1.5MB/s. This is a long way short of the 600MB/s theoretical bit rate of a SATA SSD or even the ~550MB/s attained by modern SATA SSD’s. Thus a SATA SSD could support many such streams before it ran out of steam.
Even if you go to 8 channel audio (the maximum currently supported by Roon as I understand it) the required bit rate is still only ~12MB/s which any SSD can sustain with ease.
If you went to 768kS/s PCM, the bit rates required would increase to ~6MB/s for stereo and ~25MB/s for 8-channel audio. Thus a SATA SSD would still be able to support many streams of stereo and likely 6 or more streams of 8-channel audio at 768kS/s 32bit..
I would stop worrying about having the fastest drive possible for your media and just use ROCK the way that it is intended - with a small NVME SSD for OS and database and a large SATA SSD for library storage.
If you still want to put you media storage on an NVME SSD, then you will likely have to abandon ROCK as @mjw suggested above.
You can also put the nvme into an USB enclosure and attach it to the NUC externally while still using ROCK.
Because the fastest matters more for the OS than for the storage. And because Roon OS is designed to use the nvme in interesting ways to increase reliability, which wouldn’t work (or would at least be awkward) with storage on it:
The best advice, @Amin_Mankarious1. An old HDD is still fast enough to stream media.
If your PCIe drive has the greatest capacity, and you want to use this, install a Linux OS. There are guides in the forum that we can point you to, and the community will help you get up and running.
There are users that do successfully run their music library from a M.2 slot on their NUC’s with R.O.C.K. I am guessing it would be considered an unsupported configuration, it is not a Linux OS flavour with the ROON server software installed, but R.O.C.K that is running. There is one person that I know of who is and I believe from our chat that they installed the OS first on SATA III (Silicon Power Ace A55 512GB TLC 3D NAND 2.5in) then after installation of Roon OS added the M.2 for their library - successfully.
I will be attempting to do the same thing in the next few weeks just for the fun of it.
My thoughts and suggestion would be the following to attempt to have your Library on the M.2:
I also now use a tool called FreeFileSync over the SMB network share to keep my Roon library in sync with my Windows 11 laptop and so I have at least 2 complete backups of my music library.
My current R.O.C.K setup is:
Next steps:
I am doing the above simply to see if there is any improvement to SQ (sound quality) using M.2 for the library over the SATA III & seeing for myself if such config is do-able - there may be an improvement in SQ because of the connection with M.2 is direct to the board vs the SSD SATA III being via a cable to connector on the board. Not sure but want to know & see for myself - just coz I can.
I’m thinking about trying different RAM modules with lower latency & manufacturers also simply to see if there is any improvement in SQ. I will however start a different chat to discuss this so as not to divert this topic of running the library as internal M.2 storage.
Everyone, I am aware that I don’t need 1TB for the OS - I simply wanted to get the largest supported size for the Asus NUC 13 Pro on the 2242 slot, so that if I repurpose the NUC at a later date for say a dedicated firewall or network media player, SAP playpen system or a windows/Lunix test box at least I have a decent speed & sized OS desk without any technical debt or size constraints + up to 8TB of M.2 + SSD SATA III storage I can throw at it.
I have other tweaks to my NUC as well, but I will create a separate post on the SQ topic later if anyone is interested and one doesn’t already exist - not checked. I’ll get back in a few weeks on whether or not my attempt is successful or not.
Cheers
V/-
For clariry, ROCK – Roon Optimized Core Kit – is the supported hardware, not the OS. ROCK runs Roon OS, which is a bespoke Linux.
Without going widely off topic, your configuration is not recommended, and using 64 GB memory is unnecessary for a ROCK-based solution.
Futher discussion on sound quality and non-standard setup should be created as a linked topic in the relevant category, i.e., Tinkering.
Thanks @mjw for pointing that out and indicating it is bespoke Linux, I have edited to Roon OS and I will review the existing posts in Tinkering before raising one on SQ.
I am aware that once I move from the current config of M.2 OS & SATA library it will be non-standard. I can easily just put the current drives back in if it doesn’t work.
I understand that 64GB is WAY more memory than is required but as Gen 13 Intel i7’s are getting older now finding RAM will get more exp and harder on the QVL list for the board, so I grabbed what I considered to be the best option for future requirements while I could & cheaply last year when I built it originally, also if I decide to repurpose it at some point.
Cheers
V/-
i did that , the problem is that durnig copying suddnly the nvme disapear , after restart the nvme apears again and all the data is intact , when resuming the copy it happned many time and without a known pattern , may be after 1 hour of copy or within 10 minutes , i tryied on another machin from another make and the same results , i m trying now with ubuntu server and for now im doing good , its is faster and can handel the large drive smoothely .thank you
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I did it on Ubuntu, a lot of programming but now I can use my NVMe as storage.