Want to try ROCK, how stable is it?

It’s on your recommended list, that’s why I would choose it… the list says “units that work very nicely as a Roon Core Server” maybe you want to update the list?

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I do not have a Logitech remote so do not know a lot about them but see these threads:

Hope this helps.

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What an interesting exchange.

But it’s right down at the bottom, lol. Try and find a 7i3 or better, a 8i5 is probably at the sweet spot of cost vs. performance at the mo.

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Ok maybe this list needs an update to make clear that some devices will only sorta’ kinda’ work and we’re not even sure why they are on the list at all…

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A Honda Civic from 15 years ago was a great product and will get you to point A to B and every parking garage supports it, but if you are having problems today with your old car, you don’t go buy that 15 year old Honda.

My words are saying the NUC line works very nicely with Roon, but a “120EUR” investment into a 6-7 year old machine might result in getting what you paid for. I hope there wasn’t an SSD included in that – or a spinning drive. The spinning drive is against the suggested hardware, and an SSD that old is bound for failure.

All that said, I believe your real problem is with WiFi – unfortunately, you picked a NUC that we did support WiFi on… but if you use the WiFi on it, caveat emptor.

Give it a shot, it may work well… but it’s not the one I would have picked, especially in a fanless case.

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for the milionth time, my Roon core is NOT connected via wifi. It is connected via ethernet cable.

Is it linked at 10-half, or better? A NUC should be able to link at gigabit speeds. Have you tried a different ethernet cable?

yes, it’s linked at 100FDX

Whoa… That 100FDX is a HUGE red flag.

If you are linked at 100FDX, either you are running ancient gear not capable of gigabit ethernet support, or the switch or the cable is damaged and can not negotiate to 1000FDX.

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so is 1000FDX a requirement to run Roon?
and how would that affect the database loading, as this is the most important issue I have right now?
Later edit: I checked and it’s actually a 1Gb connection

I don’t work for Roon so answering this directly would be an opinion… so I’ll not answer… However… in saying that…

Almost all ethernet cabling since the early 2000 (really late 1990’s) has supported gigabit ethernet negotiation. For this reason, if you take a standard default switch and plug it into a standard default machine it should negotiate to gigabit. Anything late-2000 should negotiate to gigabit full duplex. You can use this bit of knowledge to identify cabling issues. The way 100mbit and 1000mbit get negotiated is very different and is almost always a cabling issue if the devices fall back to 100mbit. I think, more than the 100 mbit speeds, the lack of negotiation to gigabit was the concern here as that points directly at a faulty cable and sometimes faulty hardware issue. I do this for a living and I’m not immune to this. I’ve screwed-up cables or wall plates in the past (and even my current house I’m finding faulty terminations in the builder installed plates) and lack of gig negotiation was the easy clue to a cabling issue.

Thank you. I do have a bad cable that is complicated to replace (long, not interesting story) - that is why, first time I looked I thought that is the cable to my computer, but it is not. So that does not affect the Roon Core connection which is 1gb - at least if the Unifi controller can be trusted to report the connection correctly…

You’ve got me confused, is the bad cable involved or not? Is the 100FDX link involved or not?

Anyway, it sounds like you have an old NUC on the way, and that’s your next step to try out… hopefully things will all be good. If not, there are a lot of avenues for improvement here, ranging from cables to computers.

I have several devices in the same place, connected to the same switch, one of them is on 100FDX and I thought that was the roon core, turns out it wasn’t. the core is on 1gb.

I’ll try the old NUC to see what happens, if that doesn’t work I can put a better one in the same case.

Still I wish Roon stayed as stable as it was before 1.8…

An older NUC possibly wont support faster NVMe SSD’s either - so be careful to check - and also note that ROCK doesn’t support music on the boot drive so dont go getting a huge SSD to run ROCK as it really only needs like 64GB.

Some NUC’s only support one disk internally too so keep that in mind.

thanks, I did get that local music should be on another drive, luckily I don’t have much local music. I expect that this low-end NUC will suffer some experiments only to be replaced by a better one later on… that is unless Roon catches up and there are no more issues under windows. I don’t WANT a NUC/ROCK, at this moment is seems I HAVE to try one…

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Running ROON on a small fanless i5-box with 16 Giga Ram and 256 Giga M2-Disc there are no problems at all.
But there is nothing else running on this box, there is huge QNAP-Server to store the files and there is 1 Giga-Ethernet with a 10 GIga Internet-connection in place plus a 1 Giga Mesh WLAN

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ok, so the really old NUC5i3MYBE arrived and it’s up and running since Friday. The hardest part was waiting one day for delivery of a mini-display port cable, as my local electronics store didn’t carry one (the horrors of modern age).
I didn’t update the BIOS, since the seller claimed he did that. Changing the BIOS to boot from USB was a bit hit and miss, not sure exactly what I did but I checked all the options that seemed to allow booting from USB and it finally worked… this took all of 5 minutes. Then ROCK installed in another 3 minutes or so… then I just had to deauthorize my old Windows core and the new core was up and running. The great surprise was that now the old windows roon installation is a Roon endpoint and in actual use there’s no difference from my previous set-up - meaning, the same remote works in the same way, etc. I should have realized that this is how it works, but for some reason I imagined I will have to make the remote work with the new core, which is obviously not the case.
So that is a long-winded way to say that the installation was ridiculously EASY.
Now, how does it work? Actually quite well - first and foremost IT WORKS! Roon is there everytime I want to listen to music, no funky errors to troubleshoot anymore. The interface on IOS remotes seems snappier, even though I get the occasional playback controls strip missing, like I used to with the old core.
I did not install codecs - I gather they are required only for MP3 files? I’ll wait until I find some music that requires them as I’ve had enough computer tinkering for now.
Same with migrating my database - I didn’t bother doing it yet, but I do have some questions about this: once I logged into the new ROCK Core, it shows about 6700 albums without me doing anything other than log in, so I suppose this is maintained somehow centrally? I had about 9000+ in my old setup so I wonder at which point and why did Roon stop keeping up?
What else am I missing if I’m not migrating my old database (I noticed I don’t have any tags, but apart from that?
Also, since I used to get a lot of database errors with the old setup, are there any chances that I may migrate a corrupt database and get similar issues again?
Bottom line, so far ROCK looks really good on this old NUC let’s see how it fares long term.

by the way, the ROCK NUC is connected by ethernet cable at 1gbps

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ROCK user here. Dedicated NUC. I’d say if you invest a bit in good hardware, then its a great tool. I moved from a CORE running on a Windows NUC (i3 based) and whilst the ROCK is marginally faster in terms of artwork and search, there is little difference, other than knowing you can just leave it in a corner to do its thing.

I’d recommend, but don’t scrimp on RAM/SSD or storage for your music.

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