Organised folders ?
Glad to see them go. Not touching the files is a good way to avoid messing up the files.
As to the thread question; not me, but if Nucleus users who don’t have computer hardware and/or skills to rip were the audience they may not be well represented on this Forum.
Ah, Organized Folders - is that what Daniel was referring to? Yup, I remember them - and avoided them at all costs. Nasty things.
Sure…if most bugs are fixed and other features with more universal were already implemented, I would say great. But, it already appears to be poorly implemented feature that will probably cause more support questions than it ever would stop. I think most customers would prefer they devs work on bugs and new features that can be used by a majority of the customers.
What next? More new features that are only available to Nucleus owners? A ton of people won’t be happy if that comes to be.
Is it “poorly implemented” because it doesn’t write metadata into the ripped files? That seems to be the general take at the moment. Because, if so, then I think the Roon Labs counter-argument is that (a) it doesn’t need to write tags, (b) writing tags would be an extra step added on to the identification process and ( c ) modifying the files in any way runs counter to the whole Roon philosophy.
As alluded to above in the post from Daniel - in the beginning, Roon had a feature called Organized Folders, where file structures were modified - and this caused problems. The feature was removed, and the philosophy of not touching files was cemented in place.
I thought this worked on rock installs? So not just nucleus, anyone with an el cheapo NUC?
Yes, it is in ROCK. The trickle-down effect at work…
Since the Nucleus is creating the files, it seem crazy to suggest that it can not write metadata at the same time.
Shouldn’t it write the basic metadata to the file like any other ripping app would?
It doesn’t need to - and if you ever want to move away from Roon, then export those album files. The metadata will be written then.
Sorry, but to me this doesn’t make any sense at all. Roon’s idea to leave files untouched is great. But once you start ripping with Roon there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn’t write any basic meta data at the get go. In your example it would not matter if Roon would write during rip or after export.
Hi all,
have you noticed that there is already an extension for ripping CDs, including AccurateRip and getting (basic) metadata?
I don’t think you can install extensions on the Nucleus or Rock setups…
You’re right, but it would be possible to install this extension on another machine connected to the network (a roon endpoint, for example). At least this would be an approach for people who value AccurateRip and tagging.
The extension wouldnt work for me on my NAS when I tried it so gave up. Really don’t get all the fuss about accuarip it’s really not that necessary and is just audiophile paranoia if you ask me. For the small amount of discs I have that have had a bad rip since I started and that counts iTunes 10 years ago I can count on one hand.
I was speculating that tag writing could come later with an update of the Roon app. Could well be that Roonlabs didn’t want to duplicate a functionality into the Roon OS which already exists in the Roon app – but will make use of it later. Who knows, maybe a Roon app update is imminent? 
Ok I see your point about this being more about hardware product parity.
Still, with the undercurrent of frustration among some in the user base that Roon seems to deliberately avoid, or at least has long neglected, basic inter-operability with organizational schemes like custom tags and folders, ripping FLACs with no metadata seems tone deaf.
That is mitigated by export. But you still have to have Roon functioning to do so. I just wish Roon would do the good stuff without reinforcing its closed silo aspects. Would it have been that hard to add artist, album, track and genre tags?
Exactly.
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This sounds a little bit tin foil hat to me frankly. If you really need to tag your files there are plenty of ways to do it. If you are ripping direct to what is intended to be an appliance, like Nucleus, presumably you don’t care that much so long as it works once it’s done?
If and when you extract your files from the Nucleus they have basic tags applied which can be enriched once outside of the device in a tool of your choice.
Personally I really can’t understand peoples reactions.
I don’t give a hoot about classical box sets or modifying Roons internet radio, but if updates happen in these areas or any other part I don’t use, I won’t moan about it because I did not get what I wanted in the update. All new features are welcome in my view. Not all are likely that simple either.
You’re the lucky one.
Not wishing to be rude, find a big classical set on Tidal and try to maneuver your way around it.
Then think of the poor souls who have this as their primary music source, you will see why we moan a bit.
Alfred Brendel 114 CDs completely un-indexed 
Unfortunately I’m not at home to suggest an example.
How can you compare it to Tidal. It’s a streaming service that someones done that manual hardwork already or the studio provides the metatdata. It’s like looking at someone else’s curated library. Does any other music software handle it any better for CD box sets? I know people using Naims Uniti Core have the same issues. I don’t think this is a Roon only problem is it? Correct me if I am wrong but it sounds like classical causes problems across the board.