What do you Expect from Classical Music? Is musical training a hindrance or help?

I just posted this up on the Classical Board of Audio Asylum but am repeating it here to see what Roon Classical Music lovers think.

I raise the question about the influence of music training because there seems to be an expectation from some that music needs to be intellectually as well as emotionally stimulating before it gets the thumbs up. And it seems many modern compositions are unacceptable as they are deemed as too bland, something which is regarded as a common trait with popular fare that demands little intellectual challenge.

To me, a non musical pleb, intellectual appeal in music is unimportant - ignorance is bliss? It is the emotional response that is important and bland, relaxing, music is fine by me. It is a pleasant contrast to the more deeply involving music.

That is an intensely personal reaction to music and is very subjective so what is OK by me might not be for others. Conversely most popular fare like Rock, Rap etc which has a very strong public following leave me irritated and unimpressed. To me, much of it is primitive, repetitive noise with heavy emphasis on bass. Mind you, not all popular fare warrants such snobbish distain as there are some excellent vocalists, jazz artists and others out there, but to this old brain, not many sponsor a positive emotional response.

But of course the degree of emotional response to classical fare differs widely with chamber music generally the most appealing for me. And the range of reaction to that covers a wide spectrum with the Beethoven works for piano, violin and ensembles at the top. But some Verdi, Puccini, Wagner etc operas can been deeply engaging as are many orchestral works from Mozart, Beethoven Mahler, Haydn, Handel etc.

In appreciation/enjoyment of this music the quality of reproduction is vitally important as is the engineering expertise involved in the recording, With a few exceptions like recordings of Maria Callas, most older recordings are less enjoyable for me, regardless of the talent involved.

However love of the classics does not have me rejecting modern compositions, some of which I find quite appealing while others are no better than the disliked popular fare.

I sense that those who are musically trained look for more than emotional gratification so the timing, structure etc of compositions is important and can result in rejection of playing that Plebs like me are ignorant of so are not concerned about. And this appears a catch-22 situation where a performance given the thumbs up can be more deeply accepted and appreciated by musicians than by the rest of us while we can enjoy other recordings that they might reject because it does not conform to established criteria. And to muddy the waters, these criteria change over time as the contraversy with Norrington’s philosophy involved with conducting Mahler Symphonies illustrates.

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I would expect what I expect from any form of art. Contemplation… I would describe that as emotionally charged sequence of ideas. Part of it has roots in the familiarity of the subjects. The other part it is growing out in the unknown. It takes time to process and rediscover things labeled as “not for me”. From observing people around me the pace of assimilating it is very different, takes time and effort, wiliness and to be open minded.
Sorry for my rambling, I do not have a training in music and my cultural understanding lacks very much. I can just relate, doing visual arts I’ve heard many times “why do you like Duchamp’s Fountain?” and “you just want to show off!”
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I have had some musical training in my youth, but refused at that time to get involved in professional music-making. This, by the way, was a decision I have passed too many hours of my life second-guessing…

I have no conscious expectation whatsoever as to the need to feel intellectually stimulated by music. If music grabs me by the collar and pushes me down on my seat, I will listen to it. I prefer to think of it as a wholly emotional reaction, but this of course may not be the whole truth. I do have some notion about structure and harmony and counterpoint and so on… and these concepts certainly are at work in my mind and help decide if a work or an interpretation of a work will hold my interest for long enough to listen to it to the end, or to even listen to it repeatedly.

There’s something else going on, too. I feel attracted to the beauty of sound… That can be birdsong, the sound of the waves at an ocean shore, the wind blowing through the leaves of trees or, especially, music. And to my personal esthetic feeling, not all music is equally attractive sound-wise. Most listeners of popular music pay attention to lyrics. I don’t. Not even to the lyrics of operas I enjoy. I listen to the beauty of the sound evoked by artists interpreting music. This is one of the reasons I love string quartet music. I love the integrated and combined sound of the four string instruments. And a more recent discovery is the late-Renaissance and early-Baroque madrigal music. I love the sound of voices interpreting these polyphonic pieces. And this may also be the only exception I make to my lack of interest in lyrics… In the early-Baroque madrigals, the music reinterprets or mimics the lyrics… so for a full appreciation, the comprehension of the poems is of great advantage.

Other than that, my listening choices are fully contingent on my mood. I sometimes enjoy some hours of dancing and singing to popular music from South America, and afterward may feel the need to sit down to some Haydn quartets… I can’t today plan on what to listen tomorrow… Tomorrow’s mood will make me decide on a whim…

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Well said Andreas - your interests in Chamber music reflect mine. And I should add I like Roon to randomly select from my large music library. If I do not like it/not in that mood, it is so simple to move on. And Roon is discovering gems there long forgotten. I can no longer visualise listening via CDs!