What happens with the lifetime subscribers if the company folds or is sold?

Understood. Thanks again.

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Hi, I was wondering how and by who the metadata is managed. I am considering buying a Nucleus + as the interface, functionalitites and sound of ROON are just unbeatable. Now what if ROON dissapears, goes bankrupt… What happens with all the nice Metadat we get? What servers is it coming from? Is it open source? I would be seriously uoset spending over 2k for a asystem that stops working in 1,3 or 10 years… Same questions for the LIFETIME subscribtion who’s life? Roon or mine? or the device?

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Bottom line is no matter how good the metadata is you only rent it ! Its stored on your PC as far as i know but not in a way you can acccess or reuse. Many Collectors maintain their own metadata , which can often help Roon id stuff

You must make your choice on its percieved quality

If you stop paying, woosh it goes , the article above deals with a potential fold of Roon

Please just scroll up to the @Danny posts above (October 2015) where he clearly lays out plan B should anything untoward happen to Roon.

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Thank you BlackJack and Jim. The Roon Labs LLC notes are helpful. I am a Lifetime subscriber and love this amazing software. Roon 1.8 is amazing. I can’t help but wonder how Spotify going lossless will impact music listening/curating. Temporarily stable with Roon/Qobuz, which play amazingly well together, but concerned about Spotify’s impact in this space should they also go lossless. The Roon/Qobuz combination has helped my listening and music appreciation reach previously unimagined heights.

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well, an huge part of the Qobuz library is not only lossless but high res. So I am not concerned :slight_smile:

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Don’t know Qobuz (or Spotify, Tidal) fiscal health. Amazon and Apple are in strongest position, but don’t provide high resolution (possibly precluded by significant cost increment with minimal end-user interest). Maybe this musical ecosystem is quasi-stable. I hope so. My initial question re: Roon being snapped up is that their incredible leap forward in music curation may attract interest from the broader market (Apple/Amazon). Who wouldn’t want brilliant pointers to new music/artists?

It’s natural to see the threats. We train ourselves to see threats. But as we focus on threats (or what could go wrong), we tend to miss the opportunities. Its a fundamental basis for why our species loses creativity with age.
Lots of changes mean lots of opportunities too. I don’t know what they are, but I’m sure they are out there. I’d be surprised if several of these unseen opportunities aren’t on Roon’s radar.

Not seeing as a threat. Just wondering about wisdom of lifetime subscriptions in an unstable market. Agree re: wonderful opportunities. Never imagined I’d have it so good. I know the folks at Roon are a unique blend of music lovers/makers and software creators. Amazingly good times. If I had to do it again, I’d still go with the lifetime subscription. It has already paid for itself in my musical growth.

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Roon Labs LLC - I too would like to hear an answer to Christoph’s question. It seems you should be able to flip a bit in a lifetime subscriber’s server application that disables future checks of a valid license. That functionality needs to be added.

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This, from Roon’s COO, doesn’t answer the question?

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Use search, you will find your answer. Don’t expect RoonLabs to respond on this AGAIN, they’ve been quite clear in the past, as linked by @xxx

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Slim’s quote is of Danny answering Christoph’s question. Not sure he is trolling, and as Danny has in the intervening years referenced that post as the answer, imho, it stands as the official response.

Seems pretty direct to me, a final update that would kill all cloud service dependencies and any license check for lifetime holders only. I can keep on using Roon to manage my local library. For monthly subscribers, Roon would just stop working.

Any such switch would do more than just kill license checks, it would also disable all cloud meta-data, etc. I am not sure why Roon would bother with the time/energy of that exercise until it was actually needed, but, that is just my opinion. If you think that they should do so, then a Feature Request about it would be the next step.

If Danny’s response is not what you are looking for than you might need to clarify.

Oh, shoot!

Even with a version with web dependencies eliminated, which I am skeptical Roon would create with its last bit of capital or which its creditors, trustees, or investors would allow be created, this version would not make for a particularly great product. I suspect many lifetime subscribers would bail from that software within just a few weeks.

I also just don’t see this reliably happening. One has to understand what happens when companies fail. It is not always, or even mostly, a neat and tidy “good bye and thanks” type of situation.

Most likely, especially in a scenario where Roon has licensors and other trading partners (i.e. creditors interested in assets) in related industries,. you would be looking at a bankruptcy or other turnaround scenario where assets are maximized for value and sold. While Roon LLC would be in breach of contract for dishonoring lifetime licenses, some future purchaser of the software asset would not be subject to that obligation.

This means that when the company would be going through this process, it’s very possible that the release of such a final version would literally be contrary to law, because it’s not Roon management in control - it’s a trustee, or a receiver, or an assignee for the benefit of creditors, and the release of such a version would dramatically reduce the value of the estate for creditors, which is the primary, and legally enforced, objective at that time.

Thus, this idea that, on the way out the door, Roon could (1) release such a version as described or (2) that such a version would have any long–lasting value to lifetime subs, is a bit if fantasy and fiction without a lot of thought behind it.

The only way this would really work, and this is coming from an IP attorney who has been through bankruptcy workouts, would be if Roon had a legal agreement with lifetime subscribers that was currently in place, with this fictitious non-dependent version in software escrow, with automatic release to each such subscriber upon bankruptcy filing or similar event, and all of this has to be properly papered with references to Section 365(n) of the bankruptcy code, among other things.

Point being, in practical terms a lifetime subscription is the shorter of the lifetime of Roon or the subscriber. Sound of gavel hitting bench.

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Good points. I’ve learnt:

  1. Never trust politicians or companies, in fact anyone outside of immediate family - and even thats not a given
  2. A Roon life subscription, in real terms, probably means 3-5 years - because in that time the landscape will change so much, and something else will attract you.
  3. Roon genuinely mean well, but sh1t happens, and sometimes apparently out of anyone’s control. Nothing is safe long term.

So, enjoy the music, worry less, and if something untoward happens, remember there’s always UPnP to pick up the pieces. In the mean time, make sure your files are properly tagged, so if Roon does retreat to a tax free desert island somewhere, you’ll be in a good position to recover and move on.

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Oh so totally right. This is why I really wish Roon would play like the other library managers when it comes to file-embedded metadata. Inter-operability!

Who said that it would be a bankruptcy that would come into play? I have worked for companies that shut down before reaching the point of being bankrupt. Roon could easily do the same.

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