Gets more and more complex I didn’t vote on the new poll because by preference is:
I don’t care in principle where the music comes from, all else being equal
However, there are occasions when the content of the local files is better (butchered streaming editing, masters), and other occasions where the streaming version is better than what I have locally (e.g., mp3s or just vinyl and MCs locally), and then I do care.
I also care that metadata edits are done to local files, due to the complications with editing in streaming versions (disappearance). So I usually buy the CD or downloads if I think that the metadata really needs editing for posterity.
What is this metadata that you refer to? I do dimly remember something about metadata from the far distant past but the streaming services have done away with metadata and now my Roon library is quickly losing most hyperlinks.
Roon without metadata is Roon without hyperlinks and Roon without hyperlinks really isn’t anything special. Should the Roon community be asking for a massive reduction in the cost of Roon?
I have 1600 albums, I only listen via album, never by track, and I subscribe to Tidal but rarely listen there deliberately, only when Roon runs out of my chosen music and makes suggestions from Tidal.
I wish our thread initiator had asked what is the ratio of male to female Roonies.
So I’m guessing that neither of you listen to much jazz. I picked a somewhat well known jazz musician, well known within the jazz world that is, for I have some older and some newer recordings in my library, both local file and streaming files, to show how rich metadata makes for a worthwhile Roon experience and how the lack of meaningful metadata makes for worthless Roon experience.
Nothing to click on, nothing to explore, nothing to discover.
As I said, lack of metadata kills Roon.
Yes I fully understand most, if not all, of the metadata missing from these two recordings can probably be found on the internet with a little searching but then one would be “leaving” Roon and that is not the same thing as discovering everything within Roon. Besides as a Roon subscriber one is paying for the wonderful Roon experience obtained with rich metadata and not the dead-end experience obtained when there is no meaningful metadata.
Team Roon needs a game plan to address this worsening metadata situation and so far I’ve not seen any indication that Team Roon even cares.
I often list the musicians playing on a recording within the file tags (under “artists”) only to have Roon “over write” them with less information, as in no musicians listed, after the recording is identified by Roon. Again, I know that are very time consuming and very involved methods of editing the metadata within Roon but if I’m going to be doing all this work then why am I paying Roon? I feel very strongly that the lack of meaningful metadata for many, many new releases is really Roon’s problem and Roon should be the entity working to resolve the issue. not the paying Roon users.
Roon is a classic example of modern American capitalism: I pay you for something but I get next to nothing.
Like @Suedkiez I thought you meant that you were losing pre-existing metadata, but clearly that’s not happening. With respect to your first example (Bridges, by Jamie Baum Septet) it’s clear that the data has been missing since 2018, i.e. it was never added by the metadata providers, so doesn’t indicate a “worsening metadata situation”. In the case of your second example (released 5th April 2024), it’s only been out for a few days so the data may well be added shortly.
I agree with your general point - it would be great if we had rich and copious metadata for everything - but I see no evidence that things are getting worse.
As far as I’m concerned Roon is the metadata provider - that’s how they advertise Roon and that’s what I pay Roon do to. Putting the blame for the lack of metadata on others is a very lame excuse and completely unacceptable.
IIRC we discussed the exact same thing in the past. My opinion back then was that even if we agree on this, there’s just no way that Roon staff is going to fix metadata of 100 million releases The problem is so big that I don’t think that even Samsung can fix it
“Finds and displays”. It doesn’t say they create or curate it. You can complain about it, and most folk would agree that more/better metadata would be a good thing, but to put this back onto Roon as a “lame excuse” and “completely unacceptable” seems to indicate that you don’t really understand the scope of the problem. There’s absolutely no way, as @Suedkiez just mentioned, that Roon have the capability to fix this.
Ich habe vor eigen Tagen aufgehört Roon zu nutzen. Es ist nutzlos und zeitraubend sich weiter mit fehlenden oder falschen Metadaten zu beschäftigen. Was mich neben den hier genannten Problemen störte, sind die Platzhalter (nur Albumname und Albumartist).
I stopped using Roon a few days ago. It is useless and time-consuming to continue to deal with missing or incorrect metadata. What bothered me, in addition to the problems mentioned here, are the placeholders (only the album name and album artist).
Das war es für mich schon immer. Trotzdem kann man in diesem Fall Roon nicht alleine die Schuld geben, da es hier um die Infrastruktur geht und nicht um den Inhalt. Wenn es keine sinnvollen Daten gibt kann man sie schlichtweg nicht finden. Das gilt für jede Musik Software. Vielleicht hätte man besser schreiben sollen: “Searches and displays”, aber das klinkt natürlich nicht so gut
Ich benutze Roon daher nicht nur wegen Metadata sonern auch zur zentralisierung meiner Musik im Haus.
You are correct on all counts. Nonetheless without rich metadata for Roon to find (since Roon clearly doesn’t lift a finger to actually provide metadata), one’s Roon music library becomes nothing more than a simple listing, which is already available from any of the many music streaming services.
If Roon doesn’t address this metadata problem then many present Roon users will become former Roon users, as like Helmut (as above).
@Suedkiez@DaveN Please understand that I have no issues with you or your opinions. My issue is with Team Roon.
I didn’t vote on the new poll because by preference is:
