He can’t prove that though.
Going too far off OP topic so I am out .
It’s been proven.
I’m sure it does to a lot of people here; usually the ones who won’t even consider it.
(It’s not that far off-topic. My point is that quality is NOT a reason it’s been successful - if we can say that in the first place.)
By whom and how?
I agree on that point.
Anyway Good night all
As I wrote 10 times, obviously the actual quality can be better on vinyl and sometimes is. The theoretical quality does not matter if that’s not what you get digitally. No idea what’s so hard to understand
And yeah it probably is not the main reason for the success
The proposed setup could, with a statistically significant audience. Not that it’s needed
This is one I know of.
Boston Audio Society - ABX Testing article
Quote:
In summary, then, no evidence was provided by [Ivor] Tiefenbrun during this series of tests that indicates ability to identify reliably:
(a) the presence of an undriven transducer in the room,
(b) the presence of the Sony PCM-F1 digital processor in the audio chain, or
(c) the presence of the relay contacts of the A/B/X switchbox in the circuit.The tests were conducted in an amicable rather than confrontational atmosphere, and the parties departed feeling that the day’s work had been worthwhile. Further carefully-conducted blind tests will be necessary if these conclusions are felt to be in error.
There are probably others. Note that this was back in 1984. I think it’s reasonable to say that digital technology has evolved a lot more than viny playback. They do say that further tests may be needed, but I’m not aware of any “carefully-conducted blind test” that invalidates these findings.
@Suedkiez, I got it, I’m not trying to convince you.
This is just not true. At least not if you are saying the best vinyl is better than the best digital…
Jesus. Nowhere did I say the best vinyl is better than the best digital. You quoted what I said and it’s very clearly not that! Maybe if you wouldn’t have quoted just half of it, that might have helped. Or read up in the thread what I said elsewhere
And of course it’s true that the actual sound you get for a particular record CAN be better on vinyl. That may be objectively because for instance the master is better, or it can be subjectively just because it sounds better to you - maybe even because objectively it’s worse but the vinyl sound is a better fit for that record.
It’s just Gen Z discovering physical media. There’s actually a large number of them buying up used CDs and cassettes as well if you follow music TikTok, watch the CD and Cassette collecting subReddits, or interact with them at all in person on the daily. They’re finding the latter two mediums to be much cheaper and easier to get into. Look at the prices of the vertical Sony CD players from the mid 90s on eBay if you don’t believe me.
And I couldn’t be happier. The money they’re pouring into the local used shops is a godsend for the small businesses. But, I can tell you, 99% of them do not care about sound quality at all, so you can argue back and forth in here about digital vs. vinyl, but it doesn’t even cross their minds. At best they may pick up a $250 Fluance and a pair of powered speakers. They’ll have hundreds of records, but play them on Crosleys and AT-LP60s attached to Spinbases.
Alas whilst the sales in 2023 are above CD’s for the first time since the early 80’s, the sheer volume is not great - a far cry from the heady days of physical media.
I love my vinyl partially because of all the rare albums & I was one that always loved them and never sold them. I was a ‘collector’ in my teens. However, I actually don’t buy many these days, but there is something to be said for the tactile experience and being forced to sit and listen to the music without a remote…skip that, skip that…heck I’ll just have a playlist of my favs, no album required. 
As for perceived quality of most current pressings few use a fully analogue path starting in the recording domain mixed onto tape and cut accordingly. Way too many records sound like garbage and do not do justice with inferior quality. But, given most don’t care about that, there’s the cool factor that something completely inanimate cannot give compared to an item that can be handled & requires caring.
I don’t know where you get that idea from, vinyl playback is still improving . Cartridges are still improving significantly even now , after what must be 100 years as well as the phono pre- amps that boost the signal to line level.
On another note the system you mentioned used by Ivor , I had that exact system in the ‘80’s and it is far less resolving than what I use now, even when I upgraded the pre-amp from a 32 , towards 1990
Yes digital has also improved otherwise I wouldn’t use it, even though it was already perfect sound at launch apparently.
I’d be interested to hear which two systems you compared.
You are right about sound quality not being the driver, that is why they were happy with mp3 , but the population as a whole is not interested in sound quality regardless of which generation it is.
We are just a small subset.
So I guess none of you against using vinyl these days also dont read or own any physical books anymore?
Good question!
I still own maybe 1,000 books, and I am planning on culling this down to closer to 500 volumes I really cherish (as opposed to some bestsellers,etc. that I read once and would never read again).by donating to ‘friends of the library’ used book sale. But for at least 10 years I’ve tried to buy almost every book digitally (kindle app on ipad). I still buy things like biographies, history, etc. in physical form, as I often dip back into these over and over, and certain authors and novels I return to over and over (e.g. Jack Kerouac, where I learn something new when I reread every decade of my life). I’ve also converted almost all my magazine subscriptions to digital only (e.g., New Yorker, and certain music magazines).
I love having books at my fingertips (and I tend to travel a lot, or spend time at different places…the value of digital music and digital books and magazines greatly enhances my quality of life in this regard).
I still have thousands of CDs and have no plans of getting rid of them, although I only listen to my lossless rips. And I still have a few hundred vinyl albums (and a turntable!) but I haven’t purchased a vinyl album since about 1986 when I started buying CDs. (And in the last about 2 years I try to only buy lossless downloads or hi-res downloads instead of physical CD if at all possible.)
I was more speaking specifically to this subset of the current generation and their buying habits. They see large record collections as “clout” and will buy up their favorite artists’ albums on vinyl in any number of limited and colored releases while eschewing a decent turntable and speakers. I’ve seen TikTok creators with 1000 records and a $100 turntable with a pair of Edifiers literally sandwiching it (touching and all) while shoved back against the wall. Though, they will often ooh and ahh over nice setups, FOMO drives their purchases and prevents them leveling up their sound experience. CDs and tapes, they’ll literally buy anything pop/rock/hip hop which is pretty amusing to watch.
If you want a sensible chuckle, page though the CD collectors subReddit. It’s just kids showing off piles of CDs they found at Goodwill and asking if they’re cool or not.
I used to own a very large book collection. I had been collecting paperback sci-fi since I was a preteen. Probably 3 to 5 thousand. They’re all gone, replaced with a digital library sorted any way I like at the tip of my fingers. Sometimes I do miss the books, but I don’t miss the dust, silverfish, cockroaches, and clutter, and figuring out how and where to store them.