All the stuff from the Nucleus Titan thread that has nothing to do with Nucleus Titan

Me too, but it doesn’t make me go off at airports. Nice to know you have a scar too. :blush:

Oh, worry not. It is not difficult at all, as is explaining why people hold such beliefs. Whether they’re willing to accept they’ve been hoodwinked by individuals they often consider beneath them into parting with money in exchange for an ego rub and a box of snake oil is another matter entirely, of course.

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Theres only so much that humans can hear. The older we get the less we hear.
Why can’t I remember that when i keep buying new hifi toys!
Must remember to not to forget what i need to rememeber

I’ll use a NUC and spend the rest of a couple of holidays

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Also outside of the design architecture , they recommend Server>Ethernet>End Point . Some users do use USB but the recommendation has never changed

If a server doesn’t affect sound then why should it be a problem or a recommendation by Roon to not use a dac attached to the server? Other server/software combos all use it as its primary output. I used my RME for years attached to it, can’t say it made a blind bit of difference attaching a pi to it instead.

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But is this Titan thingy really high-end? I mean, it’s only 4x or maybe 5x the price it should be for the functionality it provides. High-end is typically identifiable because the gear costs 10x or even 20x what it should for its functionality. That Silent Angel Ethernet switch is maybe 100x what its mass-market equivalents would cost! So, really, to get into the “high-end”, Roon needs to raise the price. I don’t want to bring up the premium metal issue again, but vibranium apparently would provide excellent vibration isolation. Something which high end manufacturers often tout.

If someone, maybe one of these “high end” manufacturers, would simply record both a “computer” and one of their “high end servers” (to be clear, a server is also just a computer) with a calibrated microphone playing the same content, everyone would be convinced by the identifiable difference, I’m sure. Funny that no one has done that. The difference being so obvious and all.

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Understatement of the year. And, as microphones fail to entertain visually induced bias, quite logically they aren’t the target audience :rofl:

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You make an interesting point. There seems to be an “audience gap” between two islands: practical computers (under $1000), which are completely capable of hosting a Ronn server and are thus valued by practical people, and “high-end” ones (I guess $10K and over), which are either status symbols or thought of possessing magical mystical audiophile properties. Current Nucleus was probably able to stretch the practical island by focusing on the appliance aspect (although I have no numbers to substantiate that). The Titan seems to be falling in this gap, so I suspect it will be a tough sell.

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You could use the actual Neumanns Pink Floyd recorded DSoTM with, and you’d still get copium explanations by McKinsey employees about how the difference can’t be fully captured by those, all pretzeled and folded into layers of pseudoscientific jargon.

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Is it with or without search bug and daily reboot?
Any informations about the processor and RAM

Can it be partially captured? I just want to see a difference.

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Better yet, compare the DAC’s analog output to not swamp results with all the variabilities of an acoustic measurement, and I’m sure no one will detect much difference there either - it’s never been done by any upper Echelon server and audio network equipment manufacturers because of that exact reason.

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Someone who believes their $65K Wadax music server sounds better than a Rasberry Pi is correct.

Someone who believes their Rasberry Pi is a good as it gets, is also correct.

Such are the ways of debating which flavor of ice cream tastes best. The only correct answer is the one you personally conclude.

Someone who believes a $65K server is a scam is correct.

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Well, we can’t run Roon Server on a Raspberry Pi. How about saying “Nucleus” instead?

In a sense, that’s true, but it’s a pretty blinkered view of epistemology. And profoundly anti-social. What if everyone refused to agree on what’s real? Oh, wait…

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In my humble opinion, both strategies are promising and I do not see any reason why products of different price categories cannot coexist. I would rather say to make the whole idea behind roon popular there should be a hardware solution in any possible price range. Would even welcome more expensive servers than Nucleus Titan.

What is more important in my understanding is the perception of potential users that this product offers an ease-of-use ahead of competitors. The further we get away from the reputation of a nerd’s software being installable and usable only by a circle of experts, the better. Basically a roon system should not be more complicated to install than a Sonos or Apple or Amazon sound system and equally reliable.

Hardware-wise this might be the case but with the success of streaming services things might have changed a little bit. The real competitors in my eyes are Apple Music, Qobuz, Spotify and alike. If their apps become more sophisticated, competition would be tough for a software offering no content behind its frontend. The idea of curating a locally stored collection will anyways vanish so it is solely about the user experience and if I as a music lover are willing to invest a decent monthly amount in a tool which is helping me to explore music.

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What would you see as Roon’s competitive edge in such a scenario?

For ´practical people´, the monthly fee for roon and the side-effects of installing it on one’s computer are still forming a barrier in my understanding. A decently priced, fully plug&play server solution might change that to the better.

I have met a lot of people owning expensive music servers or buying one. Most of them did not care for high end philosophy and did not even see any magic advantage in sound quality over a simpler solution. Even more true that a server is not a status symbol no matter how expensive it is. The most common thinking behind it appeared to be this ´I have bought it because it works great, I can handle it, it rips my CDs, my dealers takes care of installation and I do not have maintenance issues´.

Don´t think so. It is a matter of reaching potential customers and offering exactly the experience of a reliable solution being fully mastered by the user. If this is achieved, the price is a secondary issue.