Audiolense Convolution Filters in Roon

Continuing the discussion from Audiolense Convolution Filters in Roon [Resolved - Build 298]:
https://community.roonlabs.com/groups/support

Hi Roon,

I am trying to set a 2.2 setup with Audiolense and Roon’s Convolution engine. I am not getting any sound from the subwoofers, only from the main speakers.

I did everything as described in the quoted post above, but I have 4 more config files that start with a 6 instead of a 2. So the editing as described in the quoted post above did not work, I got an error code in the Convolution window.

My setup is:

Mac (Roon Core) - USB - Motu Ultralite MK4: 1) Computer Audio 1 and 2 going to SPDIF 1 and 2 and a Weiss 202 DAC that powers the main speakers SPDIF 1 left, SPDIF 2 right); 2) Computer Audio 3 and 4 going into the Analogue outputs 3 and 4 of the Motu and then into Sub 1 (left) and Sub 2 (right).

I have attached the original cfg and Wav files (BEFORE editing as described above) plus screenshots from the routing tab of the Motu/Midi set up of my Mac (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2e0hpqcheok06ii/AABAImNjEdiZ9hfJ8MZqBbCFa?dl=0)

Thanks for any hints

Mark

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Good news: I almost got it. I did not know that I had to activate the 7.1 output option in Roon.

So convolution works now, but only at 44,1. Also, I can‘t upsample anymore.

So it must be a SAMPLE RATE issue.

Here‘s the link to the ZIP folder: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a1fdbgj0a0qmhvf/AADc9CtzQ51P1D7U6laFrA7Ra?dl=0

BTW - it works flawless in JRiver.

Hello Roon support,

really no ideas?

Mark

You need to tag @support to get them to notice. Hopefully they will be along shortly.

Thanks Michael. How can I tag it?

I just did by typing @support

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Hello @Mark_Specht,

I grabbed the dropbox file and have passed it along to the tech team for analysis. I’ll be sure to update you when they have had a chance to take a look.

-John

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Thanks John!

@john , any feedback from your tech team?

I am wondering also about another thing:

Audiolense produces as set of cfg files:

The ones that I am using in the Zip folder across various sample rates look like this (example 44,1) and is labeled “t-ms181016_preferred_linear_phase f-ms181014 m-ms181018_wilson_2sub_motu_2.0 18 okt 18_08 372.0_441.cfg”:

44100 2 4 0
0 0
0 0 0 0
C:\Users\spechm\Documents\Juice Hifi\Audiolense 5.3\CorrectionFiles\T-MS181016_Pro_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
0
0.0
2.0
C:\Users\spechm\Documents\Juice Hifi\Audiolense 5.3\CorrectionFiles\T-MS181016_Pro_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
1
0.0
0.0
C:\Users\spechm\Documents\Juice Hifi\Audiolense 5.3\CorrectionFiles\T-MS181016_Pro_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
2
1.0
3.0
C:\Users\spechm\Documents\Juice Hifi\Audiolense 5.3\CorrectionFiles\T-MS181016_Pro_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
3
1.0
1.0

I then changed this file according to the orginal discussion (298) as folllows:

44100 2 8 0
0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
T-MS181016_Pro_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
0
0.0
2.0
T-MS181016_Pro_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
1
0.0
0.0
T-MS181016_Pro_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
2
1.0
3.0
T-MS181016_Pro_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
3
1.0
1.0

As said, this allows me to play everything at least at 44,1.

But there is also another cfg file for 44,1 that is labeled “t-ms181016_preferred_linear_phase f-ms181014 m-ms181018_wilson_2sub_motu_2.0 18 okt 18_08 375.1_441.cfg” and looks like this:

44100 6 4 0
0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0
C:\Users\spechm\Documents\Juice Hifi\Audiolense 5.3\CorrectionFiles\T-MS181016_Preferred_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
0
0.63246 2.31623 3.0 4.63246
2.0
C:\Users\spechm\Documents\Juice Hifi\Audiolense 5.3\CorrectionFiles\T-MS181016_Preferred_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
1
0.63246 2.31623 3.0 4.63246
0.0
C:\Users\spechm\Documents\Juice Hifi\Audiolense 5.3\CorrectionFiles\T-MS181016_Preferred_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
2
1.63246 2.31623 3.0 5.63246
3.0
C:\Users\spechm\Documents\Juice Hifi\Audiolense 5.3\CorrectionFiles\T-MS181016_Preferred_linear_phase F-MS181014 M-MS181018_Wilson_2Sub_Motu_2.0 18 Okt 18_08 37441.wav
3
1.63246 2.31623 3.0 5.63246
1.0

This one I haven’t touched and also excluded from the Zip folder since I did not know what to change here.

Could that be the reason for why the sample rate switching does not work?

Thanks
Mark

Hello @Mark_Specht,

Thanks for the extra information. I can see your ticket is scheduled for investigation today so I hope to have an answer for you shortly.

-John

Quick question, how did you “activate the 7.1 option” in Roon?

Thank you

in the advanced settings of the device settings.

So under multichannel, change it to “channel mapping only”?

Hello @Mark_Specht,

Can you confirm the behavior you are seeing when playing sample rates > 44.1 kHz? In Roon’s signal path, does it show the Convolution Filter stage with the appropriate number of paths and taps? Do you notice any difference in Audio MIDI Setup when playing 44.1 kHz vs 48 kHz and higher besides for the sample rate changing under the “Format:” heading?

-John

Yes. I can ONLY play 44,1, nothing else. When playing something else (i.e. a mixed sample rate playlist) the sound stops and I need to reboot the DAC. Here‘s a screenshot:

On top I cannot upsample anymore - same effect: no sound, need to reboot the DAC.

John,

I got it. I am sorry for keeping you busy, it was the missing consent from an older installation of another MOTU unit (Ultralite MK3) that prevented the unit from proper sample rate switching. You basically hinted me towards this by aksing me to look into the MIDI set up. There I found out that when manually setting the correct sample rate, the system would accept convoluted input from Roon.

It is a Mac High Sierra problem - if you do not give consent for third party apps/software within 30 mins, it will remember the brand and not allow you to properly install later or other versions of a manufacturers software.

I got it fixed now, and even upsampling now works.

The only thing that does not seem to work is MQA content - but so far I have only checked “Ben Howard - I forget where we were”.

Will check and keep you posted.

Thanks

Mark

Hello @Mark_Specht,

Glad to hear you were able to chase this down. I’ve kept your ticket open until you’ve had a chance to experiment with MQA playback a bit further.

-John

John, I tested more MQA stuff - it doesn‘t work. Am I the only one having this problem?
Thanks
Mark

Hello @Mark_Specht,

What happens if you disable the MQA Core Decoder in device setup -> advanced settings? With the MQA Core Decoder disabled, Roon should be operating on the original 24-44/48 file without any MQA operations involved.

-John