Thanks so much for your reply to this thread Thyname. As you can see, I’ve been wrestling with this Roon Backup problem for ages.
What you say here sounds very interesting. Can I please ask you some questions about the procedure you adopt to achieve the 2 different types of backups.
My Roon Core is on the Innuos ZenMini. Within Innuos I have backups set to go to “USB” (the 2TB storage drive attached to the ZenMini) and the toggle set to “Automatic”. That all works fine for the music folders stored on ZenMini.
But when I go into the Roon settings and try to create a path for a Roon backup, the only options I see are the Music folder of the ZenMini or Dropbox. If I try to “add network share” to a folder on my laptop, it fails to make the connection. We’ve established that the laptop and its folders are definitely open to network sharing.
When you yourself create a Roon Backup, do you first have to go into the Backups section of Innuos, and change the default from “USB” to either “NAS” or “Shared Folder”? And then presumably go into Roon Settings and tell it the destination path for the backup you want it to perform?
In other words, are you having to change the default in the Innuos backups section from one setting to another in order to achieve the 2 different types of backup in two different types of location?
I am a bit confused. Are you looking to backup the music, or the Roon database?
If the latter, it is totally unrelated to Innuos web settings. You go to Roon Backups and that’s where you set the Backups. You only do it once, then set it to do it automatically every X number of days.
Once you clarified the above, my second question is whether you are trying to create Backups to the USB drive attached to Innuos, or to another network drive (I.e. NAS)
There’s no problem with backing up the music on the Innuos. That goes fine to the USB attached to the ZenMini.
My problems are totally with getting a Backup of the Roon Database to work. Whatever I try, it fails to see any network path I create.
Sounds from your reply that, as I thought was the case, the two are not related, and that however you set up backups to function in Innuos should have no relation to how you separately set up a Roon Backup.
I’ll try that again in a bit. Not in same place as my Innuos at present.
I have previously managed to get Roon database to backup within the Music folder of the Zen Mini.
So, I ended up with folder “RoonBackUps” visible there within Music, along with “Compressed” and “CD Quality”.
BUT… The next time Innuos runs a backup to the attached USB, it keeps failing and needing to be manually restarted. Which rather suggests that it really doesn’t like “RoonBackUps” being stored within the “Music” folder.
Other threads have suggested that this is not at all an ideal location for RoonBackUps to be stored in.
All that my Roon offers me as a backup destination is either ZenMini/Music, or Dropbox. I can’t seem to drill back to just ZenMini, for example.
I did previously try to create a backup within ZenMini/ZenMinistoragedevice/, in other words outside the Music folder, but this failed when it tried to run.
The ZenMini storage device only shows in the Roon backup settings window for a brief period while the Innuos backup is running. It then disappears from view
That is exactly what’s happening. The Roon database backup can only be created then subsequently utilized when a music library backup to the attached drive is started.
PM me your email address, and I can hook you up with Innuos direct.
ZThanks Thyname. I’ll run another Innuos backup this morning, grab the path to the Zen backup device in Room, and try another Roon backup. But I expect it’ll fail again.
Can I ask please, what do you do your backups to? Especially the Roon one. Attached USB? Laptop?
I did email Innuos2 yesterday but no answer yet.
Very kind of you to offer to use your direct contact to them. My email is [Moderated] David Carter is my name. I have had some chat previously by email with someone called Stephen before purchasing Innuos
Mods have removed your email address from the above post as public forums get targeted by spam webcrawlers that harvest email addresses and mean you will be forever plagued with steaming piles of spam.
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OK. This morning I’ve done as you suggested, and tried to grab the zenbackupdrive path to perform a Roon Database backup once I’d set an Innuos music library backup running.
Have tried 3 times, and each time it’s failed. Please see attached screenshots. Looks like things are running OK:
Meantime, please see my latest post in reply to Thyname, showing what happens when I try to “grab” the zenbackupdrive address to perform a Roon Backup there.
So frustrating. Looks like it’s going to the USB storage device OK, and then fails at the end.
Well… at least you were able to establish the path to your attached storage.
Try again what I said before:
Step one: Start Backup music to the same attached storage via Innuos web interface
Step two: as soon as you hit backup button on step one above, don’t wait, immediately go to Roon Backup settings, and start Backup of Roon database to same attached storage
Yes. That was what I did. Innuos backup started and then Roon backup started within 15 secs. Of course Roon then takes snapshot of itself and prepares to backup, but that’s only a short delay
1 - Attached USB storage to my Roon Core (ZENith MK3)
2 - NAS in my network (attached to router)
3 - Dropbox
Did you try again what I just suggested right above? I had noticed sometimes that backup fails, but it goes through when the open connection (via music backup through Innuous web interface) is active.
Thanks. That’s useful info. Might be that I have to divert Roon backup to the Dropbox if all else continues to fail.
I’m just wondering. Is there any mileage in the following idea? Connect USB to router rather than to back of Zen Mini. Then treat that USB instead as an NAS, and change Innuos backup setting to NAS?
Can a USB be considered to work in that fashion as NAS? This is all a bit confusing for me!
