Best native DSD DACs for use with HQPlayer?

Let me try to guess this setup:

1 - Turntable to phone preamp, not needed for ADI-2/4 Pro but in exchange DSD Direct would not be allowed because this device is EES based.
2 - Phone preamp to ADI-2 Pro analog input
3 - ADI-2 Pro USB (out) to HQPlayer Embedded station, where digital audio is processed and then back to the ADI-2 Pro to the same USB link (full duplex or bi-directional stream).
4- ADI-2 Pro analog output to power amplifier + loudspeakers.

In the second example scenario (768/32 PCM in and DSD512 out), because of ADI-2 Pro does not support DSD512, would it mean that after HQPlayer stage you would go via USB to a second DAC (DSD Direct)?

Nice setup :slight_smile:

No, not to the same, ADI-2 Pro is used only as input device. Output is to T+A DAC 200.

So I can do different input and output format / rate. Which wouldn’t be possible otherwise.

ADI-2 Pro naturally works with automatic rate switching also for S/PDIF and AES/EBU digital inputs, same path. Digital input is coming from WiiM Pro.

Yes, exactly.

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And has the eagle landed? :slight_smile:

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I’m looking at the Gustard A26 which could perhaps replace my RME ADI2 (AKM4493).
It will of course be connected via DSD Direct.
When I read different forums, it is indicated that the Gustard A26 is superior to the RME in terms of sound reproduction (details, wider and deeper soundstage).
In short, can those who have compared the 2 models tell me more and is it really worth it to change from the RME to the Gustard A26?
And there is also the Holo Cyan 2, will it do DSD Direct? and what will it be worth against the RME or Gustard A26.

I personally don’t think the difference between A26 and ADI-2 is so big. These are technically two completely different DAC architectures, even though based on AKM chips (earlier AKM were switched capacitor DACs and the newest chip models are switched resistor). But not as far from each other sonically. So I’d say there is certain amount of ā€œAKM house soundā€.

If you like something more different, for example Holo Audio and T+A are quite different from each other and from these AKM chip DACs. And so are for example other discrete DSD DACs like Marantz SA-12SE (and SA-10 / SACD 30n based on same architecture), and TEAC UD-701N.

Thanks for the feedback.
I had also seen problems with the A26 firmware for direct DSD management.
Is this resolved on the models sold now? Or do you have to put a specific firmware?

What is this about specifically? The firmware that was on devices around the time I got mine didn’t support DSD Direct correctly. But after some communication with Gustard this got fixed.

They said new production is with fixed firmware.

I have firmware package ā€œGUSTARD_A26_CT_m12.8.zipā€ installed that fixed this.

Also the AH90 DAC has got firmware called ā€œAH90_CT_m1.05beta_with dsddirect.zipā€. I don’t know what is current status on this.

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It has been discussed in this thread already but the SMSL D-6 (AKM in DSD Direct mode) measures the same as my old RME ADI-2 (AKM) but also goes to DSD512 with no performance penalty. And look at the price difference. I had both and measured with DSD256 and DSD512.

I’m not talking about one measurement but all measurements are close enough to say ā€˜same same’.

I’m not sure how the A26 performs with DSD512 vs D-6 - I have a friend that might get it so I can borrow in future and test.

A26 has NAA input but then again it is a little computer inside the DAC housing.

Adding a USB isolator to SMSL D-6 or RME ADI-2 works really well.

Yes it only operates that way.

My friend’s Cyan2 has arrived from Wildism Audio Hong Kong.

I will borrow it when I have time this week and measure it :slight_smile:

Hopefully it can at least match my old SMSL D-6 performance.

Has anyone tried any of Ian canadas gear? His Dual mono Dac has native capabilities or so I’ve been told.
The DIY approach could be fun. @jussi_laako

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Yeh but doesn’t belong in this thread - he has ESS based boards.

Same as the the Innomaker DAC Pro HAT I had which performs really really well when you feed it PCM353kHz - no wideband issue at all on the Picoscope

Load NAA OS and you have a great RPi4 NAA DAC.

Balanced output too. Very clean outputs.

But not a ā€˜native’ DSD D to A converter since ESS based.

I could only feed DSD128 not higher and Ian Canadas is the same - but PCM352kHz was cleaner than DSD128

Which model actually works well, because there are many different models which for some do worse rather than better!
From memory, Audiosciencereview had tested this type of product without really apparent results

Which isolator are you using?

P.S. Looking forward to your measurements of the Cyan 2. :slight_smile:

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ASR have measured USB ā€˜Regen’ type devices and depending on PSU used, those can make DACs measure worse.

ASR and Archimago have both measured Intona and there is no question they work - don’t use external PSU. There is only the question of does your system really need it, but nobody can answer that unless they measure.

Archimago also measured Topping HS-02 (way cheaper than Intona) and I can also confirm it works very well to isolate USB ground.

RME heavily endorsed Intona but recently RME’s chief Engineer also endorsed the much cheaper Topping HS-02

Some isolation (ground, RF/EMI) between streamer and DAC analogue section is good - with NAA DAC you have the streamer (a computer) inside the DAC housing. Depends if the DAC designer has done a good job on this or not.

That is one advantage of a USB streamer with good USB isolator, even though it is extra 2 boxes.

Cyan 2 has USB galvanic isolation built-in already - a nice plus. In theory , no need to add another USB isolator before it. Hookup any USB source and not worry.

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Could you explain this more? Ian says ā€œMy Dual Mono DAC doesn’t do any over sampling and takes native DSD. I think that’s what you want.ā€

What is it with the ESS based chips?

Are his dual mono DACs the ESS based ones?

If so, it is just like every other ESS DAC - you can’t bypass the ESS modulator.

With feeding PCM353k you bypass first stage ESS chip digital filtering.

This? It’s the same DAC chip as Innomaker DAC PRO (just has 2 of them I guess)

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Correct ES9038Q2M

What is it with this chip?

What’s a good setting for this chip?

No ESS based chip belongs in this thread. As mentioned above you cannot bypass the modulator like you can with AKM.

Not belonging in this thread is not a knock on ESS - I’m listening to an ESS DAC now.

The Ferrum Wandla that features HQP filters by Jussi is ESS based.

The Innomaker DAC PRO HAT has same chip and is clean as anything on its output when fed PCM353kHz

It just doesn’t convert DSD direct to analogue.

No ESS DACs do.

I measured the Innomaker and can easily recommend it as a superb NAA DAC (comes in a nice metal case now).

I never had the Ian Canada so no idea how it performs.

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As previously mentioned, it probably performs best fed PCM353kHz like the Innomaker and all ESS based DACs I’ve measured (which is not every on the planet of course)

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Well there doesn’t seem to be much on this planet except a A26 and then dacs in the $10k and above range. Lol