Best native DSD DACs for use with HQPlayer?

Expanding on what @Burkhardt_Petermann said. It took me way too long to figure this out (it’s not that hard I just had a mental block that day) with embedded so I’ll spare you the trouble by stating it here.

In embedded the “rate limit” for DSD is multiples of 44.1 or 48. If your DAC supports 48kHz clocks and you want to use them then use 48kHz in the following.

DSD64 is “64 times 44.1”. DSD256 is “256 times 44.1”. In embedded, it is this “times 44.1” you need to set. And, of course, if you want to run native 48kHz clocks you multiply by 48. For DSD256 that looks like: 256 (the DSD rate) x 48000 (base clock in Hz) = 12288000

That’s where that number comes from.

Additionally, “auto rate family” adjusts if you keep base clock or swap base clock. That is, 44.1 (and multiples like 88.2) content goes to 11289600 or 1228800. Only some filters support this.

Hope I got that right, as always, happy to be corrected. But how these all related was a small learning curve my dense head took way too long to understand so hope this helps.

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For convolution filter you should ask for 352k that will cover all your source from 44.1 to dsd

Check 48k and auto rate family so 44.1k source will be upsampled to 11.2 dsd and 48k source will be upsampled to 12.8 dsd

PCM bitdepth 20 is only valid if you upsample to pcm not dsd

Thanks for the replies @Burkhardt_Petermann, @ipeverywhere and @Deric_Chan.

Thanks, please see settings at the end of the post.

Thanks for taking the time to post such a detailed response!

Thanks, I have checked ‘auto family rate’, as suggested.

And, thanks for the note on the convolution filter.

Do you have plans to connect the NUC directly to the Cyan2 or why use a pi as NAA in between?

For me, there is a world of difference between the two devices. Spring 3 KTE is by far the best DAC I have ever had.
BUT: Of course, this always depends on personal taste.

I also prefer the Spring 3 also to the Rockna Wavelight.

Thank you for the feedback.
Now, I’m hesitating between the Cyan 2 and the Spring 3 level 2 (KTE too expensive).
The Cyan 2 costs half price, but is it worth the difference in listening between the Cyan 2 and the Spring 3 L2? I have no doubt that the Spring 3 sounds better :slight_smile:

L2 is perfectly fine, all my three Spring’s are L2. I could not justify the extra cost of L3/KTE. While the L1 → L2 seemed reasonable.

Spring 3 gives you double the DSD conversion elements, and you can have integrated analog volume control module. If these are important aspects. Cyan 2 of course already performs extremely well. But only you can tell if the extra cost of Spring 3 or May is justifiable for you.

We can see different photos of the Spring 3 with USB2 but also USB3 mechanical socket.
The latest models are USB3 like the Cyan 2 I suppose?
To differentiate the Spring 3 L1 / L2 and KTE models, only the label differentiates them externally, or is there something else?

I think all the ones that I have, have USB3 socket. Although my Spring 1 is in the box in storage, so not 100% sure about that. But my Spring 2 and Spring 3 that are both in active use have USB3 socket.

My NUC sits in an internal cupboard (with NAS etc), and is accessible over the local network. I think originally the idea was to have endpoints away from the host roon PC, Roon themselves recommend this I think.

For those that have a Cyan 2, what are you doing about the lack of power button, are you leaving the unit on or are you turning off when finished listening?

Leave on 24/7 as recommended by Jo at Wildism audio - Hong Kong Holo Audio distributor

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Can one interpret that with hqplayer it closes up the quality differences between the Cyan 2 and their bigger brothers in the Holo lineup?

Good question :slight_smile:

I always turn all my audio equipment off when not needed.
If the stuff would need to be on all the time, then it would be faulty designs….

Actually the orange USB2 input is the better module, used in the KTE model. This is confusing since it’s easy to think that the blue USB3 connection would be better.

How do these two compare?

There are certainly differences between Cyan 2 and Spring 3. Spring 3 is slightly better. Is it worth the price difference is something one needs to decide.

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I’m still not sure what is supposed to be the difference… :sweat_smile:
I likely don’t have the “better” module.

There’s a back panel power switch… Not at all difficult to reach blindly.

And for me (what I’ve compared) the May KTE is really superior to the Spring 3 KTE.
Today I’ve changed in HQPlayer from DSD256 to DSD512 and the sun rises…
For me, the subtil changes in SQ are sometimes essential and worth to invest more money.

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