Deftones "private music" has wrong styling/capitalization [Investigating]

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Deftones’ new album “private music”.

Have you made any edits to this content in Roon?

No! I’m aware I could fix this, by switching to “Prefer file” for the album/track title metadata, but thought it’s always best to report these mismatches.

Is the album identified in Roon?

Yes.

Is this content from local files, TIDAL, or Qobuz?

Local files. Tidal uses the correct styling for the album/track titles.

Screenshot of import settings

Away from my Roon server sadly! I’m pretty sure I have everything set to “Prefer Roon” other than artwork though.

Description of the issue

The album and track titles should all be styled lowercase (Private Music (album) - Wikipedia), but Roon shows them “normally” capitalized (“Private Music”). In addition, the track “~metal dream” is incorrectly titled “Metal Dream”.

Hmmm. OK for me in Qobuz/Tidal, too, and still after adding it to Roon:

And “prefer Roon” has it in lower case:

And:

Weird! I’m still seeing it as “Private Music” in Arc:

Is there possibly multiple different options when identifying the album? I’m away from home so can’t check in Roon itself at the moment.

It’s “private music” in my ARC as well, and the track name is OK with the tilde
:man_shrugging:

I had checked this, but no:

Huh! OK, I’ll check when I get home at the end of the weekend and see if it’s still a problem.

There’s not some setting that “normalizes” album/track names is there?

Not that I know of. I often I wish there was an optional one because capitalization is annoyingly inconsistent :slight_smile:

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So I see this when identifying the album:

The edition is the cassette release which doesn’t seem to match. @Suedkiez are you sure you don’t have Roon set to prefer files for album/track title metadata?

Hm now that you mention it again, I think I have that globally. Can’t check right now

But the „prefer Roon“ option in the edits does have it correct, from the earlier screenshot:

As does my identify page. I don‘t understand that

So weird! Which edition has it identified for you? It looks like the “Casette release” edition has the correct casing, whereas the “CD release” (the one it’s matching me with) does not.

I’ll try to find out in the evening

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It’s “Prefer Roon” for album title and “Prefer file” for tracks:

And as shown above, after adding the Qobuz version of the album the title is set to “Prefer Roon” as expected, and it’s correctly stylized in lower case.

But the issue indeed seems to be that there are two different versions to identify. When I restart identification, I see this at first, as posted further up:

But I forget that I can click that entry. If I do, I get 1/2 first, the one that is used by default for me, with the correct capitalization, which is the “Reprise” version:

When I click the arrow, it shows the other one, 2/2, with the incorrect capitalization, which is the “Reprise, WEA - Cassette Release”. The track timings don’t match here, which I guess is why it doesn’t use this one by default:

We’re definitely seeing different metadata:

Can someone from Roon help us understand what is going on here?

What if you click the arrow to go to 2/2? (Though it is weird that I get a “Reprise” 1/2 and a “Reprise, WEA - Cassette release” as 2/2, but you get a “Reprise, WEA - CD release” that I don’t see)

I get the same as you for 2/2:

Huh, weird

@connor are you able to have a look at this?

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Hi @seadowg,

Closing the loop on this. With your local copy, Roon is defaulting to a canonical metadata version from a particular metadata service that does not stylize these fields.

Since we’ve been investigating this, another music metadata service has updated their own lower-case entry for this album to now capitalize per their style guidelines. They also disallow lower-case data for this field.

https://musicbrainz.org/edit/133201978

Unfortunately, Roon would be fighting a losing battle here, since the major metadata services aren’t going to pass the stylization of these fields on from the distributor.

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Yeah, unfortunately MusicBrainz guidelines are very strict on this.

I had an argument with them in the past (actually why I’m reluctant to edit their database) because they insisted on enforcing their capitalization guidelines on titles for which these guidelines not only made zero sense, because the titles in question were German, but even though the required capitalization changed the meaning in German and clearly contradicted the artist intent.

So I guess there’s nothing you can do

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