Ask Denon. Denon is the one that updated its firmware and sought Roon Ready certification. Not the other way around.
AJ
I agree, itās a Denon issue.
hmmmā¦not as excited as I thought I would be with the limited support. Waiting for the rest of the HEOS device family to come onlineā¦ In the meantime, RHEOS is still delivering hires roon on my system.
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It is sending hi res but the speakers are still downsampling.
Squeeze player does not give feedback to the roonserver like raat.
Plus squeezeplayer is not officially supported by Roon.
The Model 40s will not be downsampling as AVRs.
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Support for the Denon speakers isnāt limited ifās doing exactly what the Denon does under the hood. HEOS doesnāt show you what it does nor DOES RHEOS for that matter as it has no eyes on what happens after the signal reaches the machine. The model 40n wont do this as it has no DSP itās a pure analogue amplifier with a streaming board. It will operate like the SACD30n. The Home speakers all have DSP that is limited to a specific rate and Roon shows this. All part of the Roon Ready Spec. Roon isnāt doing anything here itās the speaker downsampling after it receives the hires input to be able to process it and you hear it.
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Tricky wording on the Denon specs. Says it can accept a hires format but doesnāt say it can process it. Very misleadingā¦
That is all too common in audio devices. That is why you have to research exactly what a product does if you care. Take Chord products, other than the Dave, they can ACCEPT native DSD incoming, but, immediately turn it into PCM and process it as PCM. But, so many believe it is actually playing DSD native because that is what it accepts, yet it is not.
Yes, this is a common misunderstanding. Hereās what Rob Watts says about Chord DACs (emphasis mine):
The confusion here is that there are two types of native DSD. There is the conversion to analogue, where you take the DSD bit-stream and essentially low pass filter it - so called native DSD conversion - with all the SQ and measurement problems this entails as I discussed above.
The second meaning of native DSD concerns not the method to convert to analogue, but the method to get the data to the DAC ā¦
Of course, you donāt buy Chord DACs if you have a large SACD/DSD collection; their sweet spot is Red Book.
Moreover, this is common across many devices. For instance, Hegel converts everything to something like 105 kHz PCM (or thereabouts), and I think Cambridge Audio does something similar, albeit at a more conventional sample rate.
Typically, what you see displayed is whatās received on the input. As far as I am aware, no DAC outputs PCM or DSD.
Only on legacy kit. New stuff doesnāt do this as it uses more modern DAC architecture.
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Do you think that Denon/Marantz is likely to add Roon Ready support for the 40n?
Yes itās an up to date model.āI donāt see why not. Each device has to get its own certification and pass all tests. Roon has had staff shortages in the testing area for a long time to and to test the large range of HEOS stuff will take time.
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How about the Marantz AV10? Itās pretty modernā¦
Iām very glad of this thread - I bought a 250 for use in the kitchen (Iām a fairly new Roon user and Iām moving away from the various echo devices around the house). Despite the down sampling, it sounds great IMO and Iām really happy with it - Iād researched it on here before buying so knew what to expect. I guess it depends on your use model and expectations but Iām not sure my old ears would tell the difference between CD quality only and high res on a compact speaker placed on a kitchen countertop so, for me personally, itās not an issue even though Denon should frankly be more transparent with their spec for those who care about thisā¦ā¦
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