When using a Chromecast display with an OLED TV, screen burn in and image retention are a major concern. The Roon logo and other items never move on the screen.
It would be great if (at a minimum) the album art switched sides of the screen with each song change.
Personally, even if a media player did that (and a bunch of other OLED friendly things that come to mind - diming and making semi-transparent any bright text for eg, moving ther text around or whatever), I still would never use it with my OLED TV, so to my mind for anyone who really cares about their OLED, Roon’s efforts would probably be wasted.
They would probably have to label such a feature it in such a way as to completely disassociated it from being OLED friendly in any way to avoid being sued by someone when they eventually get some degree of image burn in.
I bought a separate small cheap LCD monitor for now playing view - I use my AVR to switch its output to that when my hifi+AV system is in any kind of music mode that needs a now playing type view and switch back to the OLED when actually watching something.
Switching sides with each song wont help much with an hour+ long track - common for classical or EDM mixes.
At this stage in TV technology progression, it may not make any sense to devote resources to this as I feel even LG (who’s displays are used in most OLED TVs) will be moving on from OLED in its current sensitive form over the next few years.
Their may be some good cosmetic reasons to consider moving text/images around as a feature, and maybe having a low contrast mode for the text etc - all of which would be more friendly to current OLEDs, but as I said, not sure I would ever trust such on my OLED TV.
Personally I have been following OLED burn-in issue since its introduction (because I had a web browser burned into my previous Plasma TV). This has been and continues to be hopeless, so I chose LCD despite worse picture quality.
The only advance that seems to make a difference is that Panasonic makes special hardware that supplements the OLED panel to improve its heat dissipation, for its top of the line model.
Moving images and reducing brightness / contast are merely workarounds, not solving the problem. Neither is panel refresh.
My LG C9 OLED is almost 2 years old and has been flawless. I even play video games on it and have never had a burn in issue. However, I don’t play video games for hours upon hours like I tend to listen to music. Soooo many other apps and devices have some type of screen saver or anti-burn in functionality. Doesn’t seem like reversing the layout occasionally would require that much new code.
I’m not going to add a second TV or large screen to my living room just for Roon.
People love to hate OLEDs, but right now you just can’t get a better display.
Even though I have a chrome cast i don’t use for this reason
Jriver theatre view is great it rotates images of the Artist
I’ve been using my LG OLED as my monitor for everything for years now. TV, including a lot of (too much) news with its static graphics, Roon, which I run from Windows, both of which have lots of static images.
I leave things up there for hours and hours every day. I’ve never had a single problem with image retention, let alone burn-in.
I do take the trouble of turning the OLED light down to a lower, but still pleasant level for these casual, passive T.V. use cases. I only run the set at full brightness when I’m actually sitting down to watch something. But I don’t know if even that precaution is necessary. I’ve heard it said that you have to really abuse the set before you even get image retention, which can easily be fixed by pressing a button on the remote.
I’ve learned to stop worrying about it altogether.
That can make a huge difference.
Can you pls improve what is shown on the display by changing the picture with each track. At the moment the grey box at the bottom always stays the same which burns the screen. Hint: look at how spotify do it which ensures no screen burn in
Buy a new TV or turn the feature off - I like consistency.
Yes! Problem solved!
How does spotify do it? How DO you show spotify on your TV? Does your TV have a spotify app built in?
unfortunately there is nothing to turn off, oled will burn any image that stays on the screen too long into the screen. i like consistency too - i think there is a happy medium somewhere. apple tv used to flip the display horizontally every now and then which achieved the same thing without ruining the tv display or the content
spotify shows a whole screen of the artwork - so it changes with each track. using the app built into the tv but its the same with a chromcast or other smart device
Thanks, if I play spotfiy it is usually with Sonos app, so there is no way to get the now playing on a TV. There have been attempts at an AppleTV app to do this for Sonos, but I’ve not seen a good one.
I echo your request to have more dynamic Roon display screens. Both User configurable content and having the screen change up to prevent burn in.
It does seem like it could be a problem.
I read that article and the TLDR is ‘buy a Samsung TV, they don’t use OLEDs’.
Despite the stunning picture quality, OLEDs seem to be a return to the old and familiar Plasma TV issues of ‘best quality but suffers from burn in’.
Yes, the burn-in problem with Roon has been discussed here before. But it ends most of the time with helpful people telling you to turn off the tv, or comparisons on how Spotify does it. Not really helping!
But everyone has to agree that Roon clearly is not only about the best possible sound, but also about a more-than-decent display of artwork and information. The fact that Roon even splits the display and music streams is showing how important it is.
So we dig out a serious budget for an audio installation that Roon deserves to drive. Equally we love to have the display treated with the same dedication.
Now not everyone has a dedicated listening room, most will share the audio and the tv in the living room. So the TV there can be backlit Samsung QLED, or OLED, or anything in between - but none as far as I know is burn-in free.
That’s a long intro for the request quite some will have: can Roon add settings and behavior for protecting displays against burn-in? Multiple options can be chosen: different layout per song, minimal moving artwork, etc, etc. I’m sure Roon can do better than Spotify !
Then you should move this post to #roon:feature-suggestions.
done so, thanks !
Can a @moderator combine this with this other suggestion for the same thing? Just started using a Fire HD10 with Fully Kiosky Browser and always on, and it’s fantastic, but I’d love it to turn to a screen saver when paused more than 5 or 10 minutes so that it doesn’t just burn forever. I’m sure some people would want the screen to be all black until play goes again too. But I think a campaign amongst display users to vote for this combined topic would be a great idea.
