Yep, I called it click bait. Really not keen on YT creators doing this.
Yep, an iOS device connected to a USB DAC for example gives you Spotify Lossless.
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And here’s the thing, this is brought to us by the guy who brought down MQA so he presents this as a take down of Spotify. I’ve waited 4 years for Spotify lossless as well, so can’t say how disappointed I was when start video to discover it’s not lossless, or so I thought. But that’s the thing, the video is deceptive. He wants you to think Spotify isn’t actually sending true lossless like the other services. Fails to mention the other service that don’t have exclusive feature either. Fails to mention Spotify has already addressed this issue in a Reddit AMA saying exclusive mode is in active development and will be released soon.
And the issue with Android fails to mention it’s an Android problem not Spotify and all other apps suffer the Same problem.
For Spotify Connect fails to mention probably the dozens of streamers (that he has access to) have successfully implemented the latest Spotify Connect and may have had for almost 2 years. Fails to test one of these streamers to prove Spotify is indeed sending a true bit perfect file when properly played back. Naim even said their Spotify Connect can already handle 24/192 if Spotify decides to ever do hires.
And then he assumes iPhone users probably just use Apple Music. Not only do more iPhone users actually use Spotify but fails to mention all the issues with Apple Music like not even lossless over AirPlay 2. No exclusive mode even a Mac, have to manually switch rates.
The issue is not what he’s saying but more of what he’s not saying. Putting doubt in people’s minds that Spotify is even lossless now everyone sharing this video without even understanding what it’s saying.
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Spotify lossless is also at fault. If you masur the digital signal you get from them it is missing info from the lossless original. If you have an android player like the FIIO M21 you can byplass the issue as they mess with the OS to permit bit perfect and the entire chain is good. Up untill recently I used Quobuz and roon (Liftime and loving it :)) together. Just switched to Tidal as Quobuz has upped it price. There is a really good youtube vid on headphones.com explaining the spotify issue. Edit: just read up the tread a bit and noticed that vid was already mentioned sry.
I’ve watched the video again. I still think the title is misleading aka click bait. He could be clearer with his point about Spotify Lossless and I still feel he should have reviewed/tested with more hardware.
Is he trying to bring down Spotify Lossless, I don’t think so. MQA didn’t go away because of his video on it. Let’s leave the MQA bit there.
I’d like @GoldenSound to revisit his video and test with more devices. An iPad/iPhone should surely be available to him.
I don’t think he’s trying to take down Spotify but he gives that impression early on. He’s not lying about what he’s showing. He’s just not telling you upfront or gives a balanced perspective. As you said, he could have tested on iPhone, Mac, and streamers with latest Spotify Connect. I just don’t know with click bait video if you have to at least watch half to get credit. So he waits to give any answer until you’ve already watched half the video.
I guess my real issue now have bunch of people just assuming Spotify isn’t truly lossless. I guess not a big deal in the end. But for some people, they’ve been waiting for this to come out, like Spotify and have the right equipment for bit perfect but will now pass on it for the wrong reasons.
Your question was clear enough mate. Lossless Spotify is not exciting the masses (on THIS board)
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Oh I forgot to answer his question. I actually canceled Tidal for Qobuz because they didn’t fully remove MQA files. But if have now canceled Qobuz for Spotify since I was already paying for a family account and not hearing any drop in sound quality. Find the discover features better and prefer have just one player for at home and on the go. I’ve had a lifetime subscription to roon since 2016, so it’s more than paid for itself. If see any major improvements in roon, see if tempted me back. Keep it running for any local files I can’t find on streaming.
Not at all, tidal integration with roon is perfect. Lossless quality is better than spotify. No way. Spotify is a completely closed system which requires always their own app.
Spotify has a different audience, ie my opinion. Spotify is more a kind of social media with revenue model that is also different and quality of music comes second. If quality would have been key, they would have introduced it much earlier. It is probably a lifestyle thing and type of music/podcast preference too whether you like Spotify or not. I’am very pleased with my Tidal, Qobuz and lifetime Roon accounts.
What do you mean? Of course it exists - whatever you’re NOT in the mood for, Roon radio is sure to play.
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I think you misunderstood Suedkiez reply. It was related to a screenshot from Spotify where one could select genres / moods / activites and it is not the same as Roon Focus. Roon Focus is much more granular and specific.
Also, moods in this setting is not a persons mood, but rather what kind of mood the music represent.
I’m sure @Charles_Peterson made a joke in response to @crowlem 
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Or Lou Reed “Beautiful Day” (which I now hate)
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Ah, didn’t catch that, difficult to tell sometimes 
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I was also using roon for learning about the artist and going down that rabbit hole but now most of the native streaming apps have caught up or even surpassed roon in some way. Most, including Spotify, have artist bio with clickable links, info on similar artists, tour info and all that. Only thing I haven’t found is the star rating. The artist pages are now all sorted by year and broken down by album, ep, collections. You can search by years, label genre on complete catalog. Spotify has live lyrics within iPhone app. Might not be a big deal for some, but a big feature for me since I struggle understand lyrics. Roon only has on iPad and a lot of times not in sync.
I originally got roon so I could use my local library with HQPlayer since everything was in ALAC format and HQPlayer only worked with flac. This was back in 2016. But since then most apps have caught up for my needs and I no longer rely on local library. Couldn’t see paying an additional fee for roon now on top of streaming fee. I have lifetime license so not fully giving up roon and I more than got my use out of it. Curious to see if Harmon continues to innovate. Seems like not much happened this year so far. I’m in beta group and no new features have been introduced this year other than listen later.
Your’re right, as usual the culprits here are the major labels. Independent artists can do very well on streaming.
What is your basis for saying so? I think your beef is with major labels. Artists without third party agents can and do well on streamers, including Spotify.
On what basis does Spotify pay less to artists, bearing in mind it’s overall volumes are much higher than most.
Spotify is great for podcasts, audiobooks and first listening to music on the go. For Roon users it is not a replacement for Qobuz or Tidal.
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Its well documented and reported that Spotify is in the very low end for payouts per stream.
The fact that the total amount is higher due to how much more users they have is not a valid point. They still give less % of the total revenue stream back to the artists.
With their investment in military tech it’s clear where their priorities lies.
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