FLAC 192KHz Tidal file not playing properly (ref#L6FCLD)

What best describes your playback issue?

· Music doesn't start when I press "Play"

What type of Zone is affected by this problem?

· *Network Zones* are affected.

Is the affected network Zone connected with Ethernet or WiFi?

· Ethernet

Does the issue affect all file formats?

· The issue *only affects one file *format.

Which format is giving you trouble?

· FLAC

Is your device connected directly to the Roon Server via cable or over the network, or is it chained through another device (such as a streamer, Roon Bridge, or Roon Remote)?

· It is connected through a different device (e.g Rasberry Pi)

Does the device play audio from another source when using the same connection?

· The device has no problems with another audio source

Have you checked that Roon is whitelisted in any firewalls?

· I've checked the firewall and the issue remains

If the device has multiple output options, do the other options work as expected?

· Only one output type is affected while the other output type works as expected

Is the device using the latest firmware as per the manufacturer?

· Firmware is up-to-date but the issue remains

Do you have an approximate timestamp of when the issue last occurred?

· Yesterday around 18:00

What are the make and model of the affected audio device(s) and the connection type?

· No

Describe the issue

The FLAC 192KHz file from Tidal has issue

Describe your network setup

LAN

Hi,
More details here.
My structure has RoonOnNAS up to date Roon server version (Synology) and play vial LAN cable connection using bridge on RoPieee or DietPi (tested both).

I haven’t troubles with any files and I also have 192KHz flac files in collection played without any issue.

I have tried to play PinkFloyd last 50th Annyversary; 2023 remaster release of The Dark Side of the moon from Tidal.
The issue started from Time track.

Thje Roon shows the track are played. The HW shows 0 instead 192KHz.
If I pause after about 10 seconds DAC can recogize the 192KHz track and all are good I can play the track.
Issue returns when I have play the different track (from local file or Tidal) with 44KHz or different.
Also if I read settings of playing zone in Roon remote - the DAC could see 192KHz music and play it (Tidal track).

Regards,
Alex

In addition - other zones I have is Mac and iPhone. Both of them doesn’t supporting 192KHz so Roon has to convert the tracks and no issue observed. But I can’t do clear test.

You haven’t mention the DAC or how it’s connected to the streamer. However, it seems that the DAC needs extra time to lick onto the signal.

Therefore, try increasing Resync Delay in the device Audio Settings.

Good day @Alex_Malyshev !

I hope you’re doing well today.

From your description it looks like the RoPiee struggles with realising the stream details. We would recommend you to play a bit with resync delay.

If that is not helpful, can you please grab the logs as per this instruction :

and upload it to our Log Storage here so we could precisely look at the problem:
https://workdrive.zohoexternal.com/collection/8i5239cc05950ac07456889838d9319545a82/external
?

Also, please do not forget to mention timestamp of when did the issue happen.

Looking forward to your reply!

Regards.

The DAC is USB connected to RPi

Hi,
The issue isn’t related to time of resync. And not related to any particular software.
I have tested DietPi more and see the issue only related to current album.
Currently I found Tidal albums of same artist Pink Floyd in 192K and try play them after 44K track and see no issue. The same has been passed by using my local music I have in 192K/24bit - no issue to play and resync.

I will check RoPieee too and will update logs with timestamp as requested.
Thanks for support.

Good day @Alex_Malyshev !

Thanks for clarifying the issue scope!

Let us know please here once you have uploaded logs.

Regards.

Ok, friends I have some specific data for you.

  1. I see the same behavior of RoPieee and DietPi Roon Bridge on same RaspberryPi 4B with Soekris DAC. No relation to HW or SW on Bridge side.
  2. No relation to all format 192/16 or 192/24. Different files are playing correctly. To reproduce issue need to do next steps:
  • Play any track with 16/44 format than try to play from Tidal track Time / Pink Floyd - see screenshot below.

Money could be played but once could reproduce same issue. Other tracks wasn’t found reproducing case.

The reproduction timestamp: 13:26 once as I have tested today first.
Can’t attach log files as not permitted *.txt extension.
Please advice how I can add the logs.

Hi @Alex_Malyshev !

You can compress the entire logs folder to .zip and upload it.

In the meanwhile we will ask our QA team to reproduce this issue on our side and in case of success will let you know.

Regards.

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Can’t update zip.

Hi @Alex_Malyshev !

Would that be also possible for you to test following:

  1. Install Roon Server on your other PC (More powerful) and play track from it.

  2. Lower the quality and play the same tracks again from your NAS.

P.S. Can you please also share with us a screenshot from Signal Path ? Thanks!

Let us know please your observations!

Regards.

That’s a message from the forum, to upload an image.

You need to upload to the link in this post.

Thanks - now I have uploaded the files.

  1. I can’t as I don’t have possible way to connect some else to DAC.
  2. As I see the converted files are playing correctly on different targets (iPhone, Mac)
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Anything else I can do?

Could the Roon team reproduce issue?

Hi,
Any news?

Hello @Alex_Malyshev

We’ve discussed this with our senior QA and development teams. The team is investigating some possibilities here and, as soon as that investigation is complete, we’ll be sure to follow up ASAP.

You have our apologies for the trouble here, and we’ve greatly appreciated your patience as we continue investigating this tricky issue. We’ll be in touch as soon as we can.

Thanks Vadim, it’s OK, I know how to do client support, I have huge experience as developer / customer engineering in different high-tech company. I just asked about my side possible actions to help and some progress.
Good to know the issue are under investigation.

Hi @Alex_Malyshev,

Our team was not able to reproduce this issue, but we’re still investigating things further. Progress will likely be on the slower side, but we’ll keep you updated as new information arises. Thank you for your ongoing patience!

Hi @benjamin - thank you for information.
Can I help you with addition info from my side?

Regards,
Alex