As a new user, I’ve been watching these threads about folder-wise perusal with some interest.
From a pure usability perspective the absence of this feature is an annoying PITA for me. I have Sonos units that have supported this from the year dot. I also have lots of music that I haven’t got round to tagging yet. Finding everything in my ‘BandCamp’ folder (I do that sometimes) is unnecessarily difficult without folders as a perusal metaphor.
By not allowing this, what you are saying to me as a user is: The product is not really usable without tagging.
It would be trivial to expose this (the Roon server is crawling the files and folders, already, anyway) and you could make a user preference to enable or disable it. Done. I bet the feature could could shipped in < 2 weeks.
Just my $0.02 as a software guy and a paying customer.
Yes - Not hard. But I have stuff that I haven’t got 'round to categorizing yet.
In the meantime I can Track view and add Path and then filter on that, but consider: People have their own mnemonics, and their own way of filing and organizing things, and they often express this as directory structure. Why force them/me to create metadata for work I’ve already done organizing my music?
And as I said: Roon already has the folder structure in a a DB. Just expose it. It should adapt to the user, not the other way 'round. And no, that wouldn’t ruin the experience for others.
No it really is not a miss, it is the exact opposite of the way Roon is designed to work. Why does everyone cling to the past and not embrace the future, the whole idea is to see you music via album cover not list.
(The truth is out there but not necessarily here)
Really? Seriously? This illustrates the somewhat cultish nature of a portion of the Roon user base.
There is nothing “past” or “future” in requests for usability. Obviously by the volume of posts on this issue, there is a substantial portion of the user base that cannot actually get to the point of enjoying the “future” you posit until we can get our work from the “past” into the “future” format. This is what people are asking for. It is not some threat to your way of using Roon.
Also, who says that folder-based view has to be a list? It could easily be a set of album covers, or artist pictures, or what have you. The point is to be able to organize and sort by folder location so as to be able to tag better. Just because Roon did a good job recognizing your collection doesn’t mean it did a great job for everyone else.
This is from someone who would not really use folder view frequently. But I find the resistance to it to be astonishing and eccentric.
Brian has explained that a folder view would be detrimental to Roon in the thread linked above on music file management.
As Brian also makes clear in that that Roon is not closed to user comments and is evolving the product to meet the use cases of those who would like a folder view and many other things. However they are not going to do things that will “break the product” or stop them doing other things they want to do in the future just to please some.
So there is little point in repeatedly requesting a folder view simply because I want it or because other products have it - it is very unlikely to come. However if you continue to explain what you are trying to do and what you use a folder view to do and why you think you need it then you will likely find that down the road Roon finds a better way to do what you did with a folder view and eventually you wont miss it at all.
Sorry to upset you so much, but. When I started supporting and using Roon a long long time ago I did so because of the stated aim to “End the old way of looking at music with files folders and lists and start browsing the same way you do with your Vinyl albums using the great art on the covers”
Sorry but going back to files and folders is not the thing to do with Roon - there are plenty of file and folder based music systems, use one of them if it is that important to you.
(The truth is out there but not necessarily here)
Nick, you’re not carefully reading the posts on what people are asking for or why. You’re just stating the same superficial position over and over. If you don’t care to take the time to understand, what is the point in just making dogmatic statements?
Maybe this is yet another request for a simple folder view, sorry I haven’t searched.
My music is organized under normal Windows folder structure where I don’t care about tagging information. Using Logitech Media Server, if I want to see Miles Davis albums I go to the Miles Davis folder. I don’t have to ask “Hmm, who was tagged as the composer on this album?”
I know, a wild concept - I put my music in a folder and now I want to find my music in that folder. But this is beyond Roon somehow.
Roon however now breaks all of my Windows folders apart by artist, composer etc. making it very hard to find some things. Forget my previously much-used Various Artists folder which is now Spread all over the place in Roon…
Not asking for much, just a way to look for data under the familiar Windows folder structure, like every other interaction I have with my PC.
In 2019 Roon should not be missing a feature loved by users of Logitech Media Server.
Love Roon but it seems really silly that I can’t simply browse by folder.
I have just started with Roon on my MusikServer MS II and Linn Klimax as the player. All works fine but I miss the “Folder View” during musik selection. Selection of views like “Artist” or “Alben” or … is fine but I really perfer the “Folder View”. With Folder view you can see and play music which is stored in a special folder.
What do you think about this and when will this folder view be possible in roon?
You don’t do it for every folder, because that is unnecessary. Album and Artist searching is well supported in Roon. Existing Folders based on Genre, Date, Format and other common criteria can be reproduced by dynamic Bookmarked Focus searches.
Idiosyncratic Folders such as “Albums Barry Likes” can be translated into Roon Tags and the new file tags described by @evand enable a method to easily migrate Folder contents to a Roon Tag by adding a file tag in a file tag app. A file tag can be applied to all the contents of a folder in a few clicks. I’ve done it and haven’t been able to break it.
It seems unlikely to me that users who are familiar with folder browsing would cavil at folder tagging.
Ultimately Roon has a strongly opinionated view that music should be categorised and searched by links between Tracks, Albums and Compositions, unconstrained by a local storage system hierarchy. This is an intrinsic part of making streaming content functionally equivalent to local content.
I tend to buy one track at a time from beatport which goes to a folder that’s organized by “date modified”. Doing this allows me to see the newest stuff first. I cannot use roon to browse my newest music without doing some slow tagging process. It seems like I’ll have to use other programs for my new music folder playback and only rely on roon for my 2TB of old stuff which I also enjoy listening to. I’ll follow this thread in hopes that roon will someday become functional for listening to my new music folder before my lifetime membership expires.