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Number of Tracks in Library
My library: 70,197 tracks; 2,871 Albums
Description of Issue
High-res audio files in my library rarely show up when I click on Versions under a particular album. I subscribe to Tidal and Qobuz and integrate both services with Roon. When I select an album, click on Versions, almost 90% of the time what I see are the Tidal and Qobuz versions of that album. But my own (most often) higher-res library versions donāt appear there. Why not? The only way I can find them is by going to Artists under My Library. But they should show up under Versions ā and very occasionally they do, but mostly not. Iām attaching two screenshots to illustrate the problem. The album Iāve selected is Mahler Symphony No. 6, with Ivan Fischer conducting, Budapest Festival Orchestra. When I search for the album and click on Versions, I see the Tidal and Qobuz versions (first screenshot). But I know I have a DSD 64 version of this album on the Internal SSD of the Roon Nucleus (which I can navigate to through Artists under My Library). Iāve shown the DSD version in
the library in the second screenshot. Finally, I know that Versions does include my own high-res library files very occasionally ā and Iāve shown that in a third screenshot, with an album of Schubertās Symphony No. 9, with Maxim Emelyanychev conducting.
Iād be grateful for any help here in trying to figure this out.
Usually what youāre seeing is the result of slight metadata inconsistencies across the different versions that prevent Roon from recognizing that the albums are the same.
In the first case you presented the Ivan Fischer conducted Mahler album in your local collection wasnāt recognized to be the same as the Qobuz and TIDAL offerings. Thetās not unusual, there can be slight differences between streaming versions and rips from Disc or purchased digital downloads.
In the second case the metadata for Emelyanychevās Schubert in your library was sufficiently similar to the streaming versions to trigger an automatic grouping.
You can group versions manually from your album page. See the article linked below for instructions on how to do that:
You marked the post āsolvedā before I had a chance to respond. Your comments are only partly helpful. Yes, I understand that small differences in metadata are why Roon doesnāt group versions of the same album together. But your solution isnāt workable because it presumes that you have all the versions of the album as āfavoritesā or in your library. But I donāt ā I have the hi-res version I purchased as a download in my library; the other versions are available from Tidal and Qobuz, but I havenāt put them in my library (why would I?). So your advice to go into Album edit and āGroup Alternatesā doesnāt work.
What I have found is that many of my purchased hi-res files in my library are marked āunindentified.ā If I click on unidentified and Iām able to have Roon identify the album, then it will show up under Versions. Identifying the album usually means selecting a version with almost identical metadata, except the timings of particular movements are different.
But there are a slew of albums ā notably, Leonard Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic that were remastered at 192 Hz 24 bit, and George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra, remastered at 192 Hz 24 bit, that Roon metadata services know nothing about. Paradoxically, all of these albums are easily available (at same resolution from Qobuz) from Tidal and Qobuz and show up on Roon when you conduct a search for them. I have to say that Iām surprised by this. Itās not a few albums, but many, and I know Roon prides itself and markets itself as a āmetadataā tool.
Is there any other solution to my predicament that you can suggest?
High-res audio files in my library rarely show up when I click on Versions under a particular album. I subscribe to Tidal and Qobuz and integrate both services with Roon. When I select an album, click on Versions, almost 90% of the time what I see are the Tidal and Qobuz versions of that album. But my own (most often) higher-res library versions donāt appear there. Why not? The only way I can find them is by going to Artists under My Library. But they should show up under Versions ā and very occasionally they do, but mostly not. Iām attaching two screenshots to illustrate the problem. The album Iāve selected is Mahler Symphony No. 6, with Ivan Fischer conducting, Budapest Festival Orchestra. When I search for the album and click on Versions, I see the Tidal and Qobuz versions (first screenshot). But I know I have a DSD 64 version of this album on the Internal SSD of the Roon Nucleus (which I can navigate to through Artists under My Library). Iāve shown the DSD version in
the library in the second screenshot. Finally, I know that Versions does include my own high-res library files very occasionally ā and Iāve shown that in a third screenshot, with an album of Schubertās Symphony No. 9, with Maxim Emelyanychev conducting.
Iād be grateful for any help here in trying to figure this out.
So you just have to wait and hope that Roonās metadata-base gets better ā ? As I said, all of the albums Roon cannot identify are easily accessible in Roon through its Search function (from Tidal and Qobuz). It seems odd Roonās database canāt identify them.
Your hitting a metadata roadblock that Roon cannot solve. Classical metadata is notoriously bad at the best of times and Roons metadata suppliers likely donāt have this in their database so Roon cannot identify it correctly and class it with the versions in Qobuz or Tidal. Roon canāt use that metadata as it belongs to Tidal or Qobuz. Like was suggested the best bet is to add the streaming versions, identify the album as best you can using your own metadata then group it as an alternate version and make it the primary one. Although some of Roons avid classical listeners may be able to advise.
Thanks for your help here. I have the same problem with the Solti Ring. What exactly do you mean when you say you āmanually ID themā? Iām not sure how you do that. For the albums Roon canāt identify, I have correct metadata and cover art ā but not clear how I can manually identify them so Roon will identify them --??
