How Big Is Your Library

One album, with test tones :joy:

No kidding, about 1500 albums mostly Pop/Rock, Jazz, Electronic, R&B, Old School funk and French Pop/Varieté

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1412 albums, of which 395 are TIDAL albums added to my local collection.

14821 Albums
230482 tracks

3371 albums | 34931 tracks | 1272 artists + TIDAL
Mainly alternative pop-rock, singer-songwriters and folk

56420 albums | 458527 tracks | 10441 artists

@brian

Hi Brian maybe a word of explanation why I started this.

Please see this

and

I have issues where classical compositions are missing, wrongly ID’ed etc. Very few other people seem to share this issue

My thought was that there are not many people affected as there were very few really big Classical Libraries as per mine and Tony’s

The few results back (not statistically valid ) seem to indicate this. Being a good scientist :rofl: I would like to base my thoughts on facts.

The issue I see seems to raise its head every now and then but doesn’t seem high on anyone’s agenda. As a Classical fan it is fast approaching a showstopper for Roon.

Unless I can reliably and easily navigate to a Classical Album or work I really will use Roon for Rock and general Info etc and continue with my previous JRiver system for classical . This you can imagine is not First Prize for me as I need to maintain 2 systems.

At first look Roon seemed to eliminate any manual maintenance of Composition, in my old system I have to populate Composition and Movement manually - not ideal and no mean feat to do in the first place.

I started this thread primarily to highlight the issue. You will see in the various other threads a level of frustration of classical users caused by this and several other issues. Eg the anonymous Disc 1 … Disc 112 of box sets . Sticking clear of Box Sets may be wise but in the classical music market place its simply not a going proposition. Sets like Beethoven Edition, Alfred Brendel Complete Phillips etc are very cost effective ways of building a library and indeed most classical collections I would guess are comprised of a lot of boxes , mine must be well over 200 without counting.

I am glad you responded so at least we can lodge the issue in the mind of of someone influential in Roon’s future development

Please don’t get me wrong, Roon is superb when you use it for single albums of Rock Jazz etc , but it definitely falls short for a Classical devotee. In my mind (biased of course) for Roon to succeed as a world class library management system it must offer the same level of excellence for all genres of music which ,to me, currently it doesn’t seem to.

It may well be that the users with big classical libraries out there are so few in number as not to influence the direction of feature development. Indeed it may also be that your background metadata providers do not provide good enough source to make Classical viable in the way Rock and Jazz are , I can only speculate.

Thanks for the “Open Ear”

Cheers

Mike

Hi Francois,

I thought I was addicted …

Out of interest what is your classical split on that ?

Mike

Thanks to all who have responded.

One slight snag I have thought of , in terms of Roon Stats the Album count may be confusing in Box Sets . For example most Beethoven Piano Sonata sets will be 9 - 10 discs but will be ONE album, the same goes for many works in Boxes

The track count may give an indication , but I can’t see a way around this

I spotted this because my Classical Albums seemed low compared to what I thought I had

Cheers

Mike

Just a few numbers …

Classical Files 52308 , say 10 per disc = 5230 albums , Roon Stats says 1450 quite misleading …

Rock 30224 , say 10 per album, = 3022 albums Roon says 3230 , not too far out considering double albums etc

That puts my classical split as around 60% which is my feel…

Mike

Clasical :
about 4300 Files , 280 albums

7,214 Albums, 76 are classical/opera
97,148 Tracks

(all my own library; I don’t use TIDAL)

Just as you use the Composition screen to drive the Jazz experience I would like to use it to drive the Classical experience. It’s too off topic to paste a bunch of links but the purpose of this thread was to establish a link between library size and the Classical experience.

  1. I find the problems in many ways worse with a smaller library as if you only have one performance and roon doesn’t identify at a composition level it is lost to you on a lot of screens. I am trying to maintain two libraries. A small one for travel and a large one for home, so I am seeing these effects. I don’t need a complicated box set to demonstrate the issues. I can do it with a single disc of classical guitar transcriptions of the Scarlatti piano sonatas.

  2. After a year or so with roon, practical changes that I believe would catch the vast majority of the small classical communities concerns, revolve around enhancements to the Composition screen:

  • Extend the existing path browser functionality from the Tracks screen
  • Expose the Date, Period, Form & Instrumentation fields on the composition page to end-user tags
  • Add an additional layer to the Composition->Performance hierarchy (Composition->Version->Performance)
  • Extend the focus “pick-lists” on the composition page to support Boolian logic
  • Standardise composition naming conventions so that users can re-tag if necessary to ensure 100% composition identification
  • Generally provide a VALUE=NULL for all filtration categories so users can quickly identify and fix unidentified items or unpopulated tags
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2632 albums
Classical 5% (of which I probably listen to 5% - had a classical phase which wore off)
Rest
rock/pop
Rock
Electronic
Soul

At first glance quite a lot of Jazz, which definitely can’t be right. On having a butchers, Divine Madness by Madness is an odd choice for a Jazz tag :-). But as I don’t browse by genre it really doesn’t matter to me.

I agree with Tony above

One vital aspect is a consistent format for Composition and to make it editable either within or outside as long as you can opt for overriding Roon if the external one is better

The actual format doesn’t matter too much as long as it’s consistent b

I use

Piano Sonata No.1. In C Minor Op.2 No. 1. “Nickname Sonata”

Mike

Great idea your thread. Maybe we could also state how big in size one’s library is?
Because I think the more classical stuff you have, the bigger your library might get, wich leads to more errors too.
At least I am getting this intention, since I recently checked my local library in town, and they had SACDs, which were mainly classical recordings (e.g. Holst -The Planets), with 90% and more. So I guess there are more DSDs for these genres available.

2500 albums, I don’t do genres so the only split I have is:

2500 albums I like
0 albums I don’t like

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The main steer seems to be to use whatever allmusic has used. So the basic pattern is actually different to your pattern:

Piano Sonata No. 23 in F minor “Appassionata” Op. 57

I also see the nickname frequently in brackets with the catalogue number last (after the Ous No. if there is one) , so:

Symphony No. 4 in E flat (“Romantic”), WAB 104

Another difference is that multi-part Opus No’s are usually done Op. xx/y instead of Op. xx No. y

Piano Sonata No. 14 in C sharp minor “Moonlight” Op. 27/2
e.g. see also the Kissin link above

But these are all rules of thumb that often work for me just by observation of how allmusic works. Sometimes there are small variations, like additional or absent commas which can be enough to throw roon off during the identification process.

I think in most cases I would prefer to know what roon’s composition naming rules were rather than cutting and pasting allmusic when an Identification fails.

I would love to have a dropdown menu after assigning a composer in Roon containing the works of that composer. You would then be able to assign the work without guessing the correct (Roon official) work and eliminating the need for endless merges.

Using @brian’s approach instead of doing my own math:

Btw, the Added diagram is wrong. Roon limits it to 2015 because that’s when the product came out, but I have it set to use the File Creation Date, so my earliest Added Date is 2001. Of course that computer is long gone, but the file creation date (the rip date) travels with the file.

(When I first did that, the date axis went to the turn of the century. Wait, what? Turns out, one recent album of Italian jazz was listed in All Media as 1909, I think it may be 2009. After that, the oldest original date was Kurt Weill’s Street Scene from 1949. Exploring is fun!)

VX

I do listen to other Music, too … However I removed the disc locations for other music, behause I hate the results in Roon - Messing up my composition view and limiting my ability to Identity my classical Albums I Need to work on Tag-wise due to being unidentified…